tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post4592457283660682994..comments2024-03-28T20:09:43.455-04:00Comments on Touch the Banner: Some Notes on ConcussionsUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger77125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-66763124415366687692014-10-01T16:17:02.114-04:002014-10-01T16:17:02.114-04:00The existence of mistakes does not indicate incomp...The existence of mistakes does not indicate incompetence. Everyone makes mistakes, all the time.<br /><br />Hoke did what he did during a football game, with plays every 30 seconds, 115 players and dozens of staff to oversee, plus refs and the other team. We've watched and rewatched those few minutes over days, in slow motion from multiple angles, with input and discussion from thousands of people, experts, etc. Would you want every few minutes of your job evaluated like that? I bet every one of us would come up short. You might have spent longer writing that post than Hoke had to deal with everything.<br /><br />You might want to make judgments about someone from their press conference. Everyone I've heard or read who knows Hoke says he's a good man who cares deeply about his players. I think I'll go with their opinions.<br /><br />And regarding his imperfection, I could care less if he's indignant.<br /><br />Go Blue!<br /><br />Long Time AlumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-30850225345943462492014-10-01T08:21:05.718-04:002014-10-01T08:21:05.718-04:00I don't have a profile, but I have to voice my...I don't have a profile, but I have to voice my opinion. In this day and age, a coach has to take the health of the player seriously. You are using a portion of the event to justify that it is overblown. <br />Hoke talks about how much he cares about the players, but he couldn't talk to the Medical staff after the game? Did you watch his presser and his indignant answers. Those are not answers of a man who care about his players.<br />He might apologize on Wednesday after his AD threw him under the bus. But that guy was defiant until Monday.<br />Your take on the winning and losing could be true. People want him gone. What I do have to say is that other blogs are more outraged about DB than Hoke. It seems like you are assessing this based on Hoke only, but the events after Saturday, initiated by DB, played a big role in the outrage.<br />I like Hoke. I think he is a decent man. He just doesn't know what to do. Incompetence is a fireable offense. But he didn't have the balls to be outraged about DB's press release so far and the lack of knowledge on the concussion report by Monday.<br />Shouldn't he be in the Medical staff's office and demanding the report. Just like everything else he delegated this also.<br />So, I am not so sure he is not culpa able. His incompetence and lack of leadership during and after the game in itself is a fireable offense. He is the coach at M and he he has some power. Now he sounds like a puppet for everyone in the administration.<br />So, I blame him for being ignorant, indignant and for lack of leadership and most of all, his lack of stubbornness to after the Medical Staff for his players. He should be fired. NOW. Should be after his friend, DB, who threw him under the bus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-68402055630514381492014-10-01T03:08:27.999-04:002014-10-01T03:08:27.999-04:00No, Don, I wasn't referring to you, I was refe...No, Don, I wasn't referring to you, I was referring to the one that was advising you to "shut up."<br /><br />RE: Brian Cook,<br />Terribly disappointed with him, a young man with so much writing talent and intelligence. Instead of staying above the fray and only guiding his blog with a soft touch, which he has done from time to time, he has decided to become the fray. Cook is now coming across as one bent on the destruction of Michigan Football as a sort of religious cleansing and I'm afraid that he'll never be satiated.<br /><br />It will be interesting to observe his reactions when the inevitable happens and hires are made with which he disagrees.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160064972289467499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-76230077367301150252014-09-30T22:59:54.948-04:002014-09-30T22:59:54.948-04:00Fun fact, the technology exists, but the NFL doesn...Fun fact, the technology exists, but the NFL doesn't use it. <br /><br />In the medical field there have been numerous suggestions as how to make the game safer but most of the suggestions are sitting on the proverbial sidelines riding the pine. No more 3 point stance, helmets with special impact sensors etc. <br /><br />And if I can have a moment of arrogance, I know I'm right about the not allowing players back in with suspected head injuries and I think the more public outcry over these sorts of hits and the more education and community outreach my profession can do the more realistic this will become. <br /><br />It's a matter of education and overcoming the macho attitude that is still extremely pervasive in football. If you can get over those two giant hurdles it'll be realistic. <br /><br />On the other hand, if a player for a major team pro or college dies or becomes permanently disabled because he went back out there after an initial head injury you'll also see this change happen. Honestly I'd much rather the first thing happen. Trauma Professionalnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-30635784905113100322014-09-30T20:57:23.180-04:002014-09-30T20:57:23.180-04:00Very interesting that there is only outrage at Hok...Very interesting that there is only outrage at Hoke, who clearly cares about his players and only put in Morris, by mistake for a play or two, and not about the Minnesota player for trying to assassinate our QB with a cheap hit. It's sad that we'd rather take a minor opportunity to lynch our own than to defend our QB.<br /><br />LTAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-6892905718340166092014-09-30T20:54:19.311-04:002014-09-30T20:54:19.311-04:00@Anon 2:04pm
I think you are right, but of course...@Anon 2:04pm<br /><br />I think you are right, but of course I can't read Cook's mind. Here's my impression: Cook in his blog (I don't know him personally at all) has had trouble admitting he's wrong (e.g., eating lemons) and has greatly overreacted to problems (e.g., all the outrage, or remember when he posted the name and contact info of a board member he didn't like?). Again, I only know what Cook writes; I've never met him. Also, Cook the blogger does have his good points, but this post isn't about some serious problems.<br /><br />Cook backed the spread offense and RR, and since then has gone after seemingly everyone who made that choice look bad or who, by attacking them, make RR look better: Greg Robinson got the blame for defense, Carr for undermining RR, the Free Press for reporting on him, Brandon for firing him; Hoke for replacing RR and wanting a different offense, Borges for implementing a different offense, anyone for suggesting Denard was a poor QB and better RB ... The pattern is my interpretation, but Cook has openly been gunning for Brandon and Hoke for a long time, and now finally saw a weakness for his latest campaign of outrage.<br /><br />He is influential. I've seen him cited by Grantland and Sports Illustrated about Hoke recently; one Grantland writer essentially let Cook write the article. And he has a Rush Limbaugh-like influence on many of his hyper-loyal readers; I even hear people who know nothing about blogs repeating Cook's claims as they filter around the community.<br /><br />I think Cook might be Michigan football's biggest problem. The current situation likely wouldn't be nearly as difficult without him. And it's just the latest of the regular online riots he leads like it's another Michigan sport; what will he pick on next? He's smeared one person's reputation after another, including the people I mentioned above. It's disgusting to see and heartless. His outrage at yet another person or event has become routine and laughable: What, you're angry again? Another temper tantrum? He makes it much more difficult for UM to succeed; this year we'd have much better prospects for some recovery without him, but he aggressively tries to bury us. And he's enabled by his followers many of whom are so loyal -- to a blog they read, as odd as that sounds -- that they apparently can't even tolerate criticism of him.<br /><br />Again, I don't know Cook personally, I only know what is on his blog. And his blog does have good points. These are big problems.<br /><br />@Magnus: While it's not the most erudite post, the parent is nothing compared to other things I've seen on TTB, including about Hoke and Brandon. It's an important discussion and definitely belongs.<br /><br />Long Time AlumAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-40065855487173048102014-09-30T19:46:19.372-04:002014-09-30T19:46:19.372-04:00No one likes blastbeat. I do not know why thunder ...No one likes blastbeat. I do not know why thunder let's his comments be seen. He is rude to everyone on here. And obviously doesn't know anything about football. His comments do nothing but make Michigan fans look bad. Look. I'm posting as anon. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-49167626538668123362014-09-30T19:00:18.900-04:002014-09-30T19:00:18.900-04:00@drkjk at 3:53pm -- if you're referring to me,...@drkjk at 3:53pm -- if you're referring to me, then you're incorrect. I have one post above and that it.DonAZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-67952440167879764712014-09-30T16:46:03.366-04:002014-09-30T16:46:03.366-04:00If Les Miles was coaching Michigan, we wouldn'...If Les Miles was coaching Michigan, we wouldn't have these problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-3532361794842987442014-09-30T16:09:04.429-04:002014-09-30T16:09:04.429-04:00It is irony that Brian has attacked Free Press so ...It is irony that Brian has attacked Free Press so furiously yet following its footsteps he does not like.<br />More, yet he loudly blames Dave Brandon for his profit-first mindset, yet he does not promote his for-profit products whenever possible. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-76902925997324637582014-09-30T15:53:45.214-04:002014-09-30T15:53:45.214-04:00This, the most acidic post on this thread, wasn...This, the most acidic post on this thread, wasn't written by Anonymous, it was written by....well you can scroll up and find it for yourself. <br /><br />Don, shut up. This is perhaps the least reasonable post I've ever read from Magnus. This isn't the "adult voice of reason." This is "cover my ass because I left it hanging in the breeze."Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160064972289467499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-65684798787496638212014-09-30T15:29:29.894-04:002014-09-30T15:29:29.894-04:00@Trauma Pro
"against allowing any player to ...@Trauma Pro<br /><br />"against allowing any player to get back in the game after a suspected head injury ever"<br /><br />I think you are right, but I don't know how realistic that is. There's also been research that points to the repeated head blows (especially that linemen and linebackers take) to be damaging as well. To an extent, it's the nature of the game. But you have to draw the line somewhere.<br /><br />I'm not really arguing with you, I just think if you're going to say "any" head injury gets you pulled from the game, you either need MUCH better equipment or you'll just have to stop playing football because it's too dangerous. (Or move to 7 on 7 where the injury potential is at least somewhat diminished, two-hand touch, or some other watered-down version of the sport we all like.)Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-85802801372252868362014-09-30T15:07:59.640-04:002014-09-30T15:07:59.640-04:00I am the first anonymous in this thread and yes, I...I am the first anonymous in this thread and yes, I actually have played football at this level and did quite well. Furthermore, my seats are such that I can see EVERYTHING happening on the Michigan sidelines. Also have access to several practices a year as well so I you are incorrect on a number of levels.<br />I am talking about attention paid to the coach during the game. I know many coaches are limited to popping in to lend insight/criticize/motivate. They are also actively involved with the game via their communications (headsets..) They are making active decisions on a play-by-play or at least series-by-series basis. When they approach players they are given attention. It is not happening here. When hoke is on the sidelines a vast majority of his role is literally clapping and slapping ass. He engages the refs and occaisionally interacts with Nuss/Mattison on a real time basis while they are sending in calls. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-74059266486448412792014-09-30T15:07:45.376-04:002014-09-30T15:07:45.376-04:00@Anon
You can rationalize starting Morris. It...@Anon<br /><br />You can rationalize starting Morris. It's a stupid argument, but it can be made. You can even rationalize keeping him in in the 2nd half after he had again proven incapable. ...I guess. Maybe Hoke thought the clearly inferior QB wasn't inferior. Maybe that's just dumb more than it's not "trying to win".<br /><br />What you can't rationalize is the game strategy in the 4th quarter. How do you explain the strategy after Gardner led that TD drive? Punting, not going for 2, not hurrying, etc.<br /><br />He did not try to win that game after Morris went out. Why?<br /><br />Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-67150163958005104662014-09-30T14:42:47.582-04:002014-09-30T14:42:47.582-04:00I'm sure that's what the TV announcer was ...I'm sure that's what the TV announcer was thinking when he called out Hoke for keeping Morris in the game. "What would Brian Cook (who I have probably never heard of) think about this?" I'm sure the ABC producers who put this on national TV were thinking "Maybe this will help Michigan run a spread."<br /><br />Cook is what he is, but what happened was not a common mistake. QBs who wobble dont just stay on the field, then get called BACK out onto the field without being checked out.<br /><br />Maybe you should save your Mgoblog complaints for Mgoblog.<br /><br />@Thunder<br /><br />This blogs comments have grown to be pretty healthy and robust. Several have commended the site for having a good civil discourse. The anon's aren't helping that. It might be time to try dropping the Anonymous posts again because the garbage ratio just seems to be going up and 9/10 are coming from Anon.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-39488989302009571452014-09-30T14:31:39.166-04:002014-09-30T14:31:39.166-04:00Somebody will again ask Hoke about the post-game t...Somebody will again ask Hoke about the post-game time frame and at what point Paul Schmidt, or the neurologist, told him they were initiating the concussion protocol. Do you think he'll lie and say he was never told, and when he does, do you think the medical staff will directly challenge his lie?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160064972289467499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-80265171684728641572014-09-30T14:17:38.483-04:002014-09-30T14:17:38.483-04:00@Lanknows
Hoke isn't trying to win football ga...@Lanknows<br />Hoke isn't trying to win football games? Spare me the bullshit. I can't take this fan base seriously anymore. Good god.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-74397855062246666122014-09-30T14:04:49.711-04:002014-09-30T14:04:49.711-04:00Basically, someone is being dragged through the mu...Basically, someone is being dragged through the mud because he doesn't run a spread offense.<br /><br />Hoke made a huge mistake. It was an understandable mistake. It was a common mistake. It was compounded by the mistakes of others, some who are more culpable. But only he can make the team run Brian Cook's preferred offense.<br /><br />Want proof? How many words has mgoblog written about Shane Morris's health? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-44309764312963882772014-09-30T13:51:49.186-04:002014-09-30T13:51:49.186-04:00I believe Hoke lied (perhaps under orders) with th...I believe Hoke lied (perhaps under orders) with the expectation that the "medical staff statement" would back him up. It's the only logical conclusion. I don't believe that Hoke doesn't receive a daily, if not more frequent, update on the health of his players. Even high school coaches get that. I don't believe that the report he received would have neglected to mention his possible/probable concussion. It just defies belief that Hoke did not know by Monday afternoon that Morris had a concussion. In this case, the obvious answer is probably the right one.<br /><br />I would argue that the medical staff haven't remained silent. They're not going to give a press conference or issue a statement outside of the athletic department. That's just not their job or how they would act. But, the fact that the statement that ultimately issued some 12 hours after it was promised disclosed a concussion diagnosis in direct contradiction to Hoke's press conference statement tells me that knew the score and chose to publicly expose Hoke's lie anyway. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-81554755021453474052014-09-30T13:39:28.821-04:002014-09-30T13:39:28.821-04:00The whole stadium did not see it. Some did. The ...The whole stadium did not see it. Some did. The whole stadium, no.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-32517902593827768042014-09-30T13:38:41.059-04:002014-09-30T13:38:41.059-04:00Because at this point the lawyers are in charge.Because at this point the lawyers are in charge.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-70857737042346083452014-09-30T13:10:10.615-04:002014-09-30T13:10:10.615-04:00Why do you suppose the medical professionals didn&...Why do you suppose the medical professionals didn't tell the coaching staff about their concussion concerns and only mentioned that Morris' ankle sprain would prevent him from practicing on Sunday? Would the mere concern of a concussion and the start of observation be enough to hold him from further practice/game play? Or, the other possibility is that they did notify the Brady Hoke and then Hoke told a lie of monumental proportions and the medical professionals have remained silent. HmmmAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160064972289467499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-18660838749742539992014-09-30T13:08:17.295-04:002014-09-30T13:08:17.295-04:00Magnus,
I would add: I was watching on TV and I d...Magnus,<br /><br />I would add: I was watching on TV and I didn't see the hit until they showed the replay, though it happened on-screen. I was watching the ball just like everyone else. Someone said the whole stadium saw it; obviously most people would have been watching the ball and did not.<br /><br />LTAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-21976404031268891772014-09-30T13:06:02.243-04:002014-09-30T13:06:02.243-04:00I'm not sure, and maybe I haven't received...I'm not sure, and maybe I haven't received an update, but last I knew "probable" was not synonymous with "definite" so it would be incorrect to say Morris suffered a concussion when the qualifier "probable" is used.<br /><br />And another thing, if the medical staff was concerned enough in the immediate post game to start a concussion protocol, why did they not immediately tell the coaching staff? Rather, the only information they apparently forwarded to the coaching staff was that Morris would not be available for practice because of his ankle sprain. Was Paul Schmidt trying to hide concussion concerns from Brady Hoke? If so, why? If not, and if Dave Brandon and Brady Hoke grossly misstated the truth, why aren't UM medical personnel publicly stating as much? Seems to me that by staying silent they would be putting their own credibility on the line.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160064972289467499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-73651172912496555582014-09-30T13:02:51.835-04:002014-09-30T13:02:51.835-04:00I think some people honestly do care about safety....I think some people honestly do care about safety.<br /><br />Me personally, I think it's more of a culture of football "toughness" thing and what Hoke did is the same thing a lot of coaches would do.<br /><br />I care more about the fact that Hoke is not trying to win football games. Playing Morris in the first place was incompetent. Playing him in the 2nd half just double downed on that incompetence. Then keeping him in repeatedly after injuries just looks like stubbornness and trying to avoid embarrassment.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.com