tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post8276800497247074164..comments2024-03-28T20:09:43.455-04:00Comments on Touch the Banner: Utah 26, Michigan 10Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-12368425471954722832014-09-22T20:45:26.109-04:002014-09-22T20:45:26.109-04:00The simple fact is.. DG isn't getting better a...The simple fact is.. DG isn't getting better and might be getting worse. His accuracy is questionable on a high percentage of his throws. His running is not good enough to make up for fumbles and lost yardage plays. His decision making is just terrible. He scrambles just enough to mess up the blocking angles for a young oline. <br /><br />They have to try different options period. unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11013371515375046127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-71836647156357970432014-09-22T18:04:44.912-04:002014-09-22T18:04:44.912-04:00How was he "awful" against KSU? 24-38-1...How was he "awful" against KSU? 24-38-1 for 196 may not be incredible but seems okay given the total lack of a run game, not to mention pass protection.Jamesnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-81187734214030596882014-09-22T17:16:14.175-04:002014-09-22T17:16:14.175-04:00They beat Michigan the first year after the Carr e...They beat Michigan the first year after the Carr era. <br /><br />Two years earlier they won the Fiesta Bowl and went undefeated, beating Texas A&M, BYU, and Arizona along the way. <br /><br />Utah has consistently been better than Michigan for many years now. Denying it is no better than denying Oregon was better in 2003. Utah has passed Michigan. Their 5-7 team was better than our 7-5 team last year and they whooped us on Saturday.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-91575355953817404512014-09-22T17:05:49.382-04:002014-09-22T17:05:49.382-04:00That's not what one and done means.
I rememb...That's not what one and done means. <br /><br />I remember people in August of '13 saying he might leave in December of '13. That would have been after his senior year which is not one and done under anyone's definition.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-88060553014974958372014-09-22T15:09:45.179-04:002014-09-22T15:09:45.179-04:00Sure you do Lanky, as you were absolutely one of t...Sure you do Lanky, as you were absolutely one of those guys. Don't play kids games. One and done as a starting QB me boy. <br />Roanmanhttp://justthinking.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-23799934947308092242014-09-22T14:07:56.344-04:002014-09-22T14:07:56.344-04:00I don't disagree with your overall point regar...I don't disagree with your overall point regarding DF possibly hurting the team when he isn't 100% healthy, but I disagree with your assessment of the pass that he tried to make a one hand grab on going over the middle. <br /><br />Earlier in the game DG lead DF on a throw that took him head long into the safety and he just about got decapitated. I think DF was a little leary of laying out for this pass after that hit and simply let his nerves get the better of him. He's already hurt after all and you could see that hit took something out of him too. It was certainly a catchable ball, but I blame DG for that miss more than DF because it was his previous pass that caused DF to have a little fear in the back of his mond while crossing over the middle of the field. This is just my opinion though. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10816433835417812929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-48850137151111810242014-09-22T13:05:14.674-04:002014-09-22T13:05:14.674-04:00I'm sure the results are not good, but it'...I'm sure the results are not good, but it's sort of beside the point. Michigan is pursuing a strategy that is clearly inferior. The statistics back it up and Michigan doesn't bother to explain why it does the inferior thing. They don't owe us an explanation if they have a real reason, but raise your hand if you think they have a legitimate one.<br /><br />Lloyd Carr of all people tried the spread punt a decade ago. We sucked at executing it and never went back, but even he acknowledged it was worth trying.<br /><br />There are bigger problems, yes, but it's an indicator that the whole direction of this program is bullheaded and wrong.<br /><br />"Make more demands" isn't a fix.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-91478241135979569512014-09-22T13:00:24.439-04:002014-09-22T13:00:24.439-04:00No, and that is against NFL rules.No, and that is against NFL rules.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-87871469685555686252014-09-22T06:06:01.966-04:002014-09-22T06:06:01.966-04:00Remember when the big fear around here was Gardner...Remember when the big fear around here was Gardner one and done and off to the NFL?<br /><br />Gardner was recruited to play Rodriguez' system where many passes came off of the threat of a quarterback run. Niether Borgis or Nussmeier have the first idea of what a Gardner package should look like, and in all likelihood, along with Hoke neither had any desire to run a package that would maximize Gardner's skill set at the QB position.. Pity. From Gardner's standpoint, I don't think it matters so much as his future is running routes.<br />Roanmanhttp://justthinking.usnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-26013691076349654542014-09-22T00:24:41.406-04:002014-09-22T00:24:41.406-04:00This is just stupid. The minute Utah joined a rea...This is just stupid. The minute Utah joined a real conference those great seasons became 5-7. Stop pretending like going 10-2 in the MWC for a few years means anything. <br /><br />Are they better than us right now, yes, but acting like they were better than us at any point during the Carr years is just stupid. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-83742878114350787192014-09-22T00:01:19.433-04:002014-09-22T00:01:19.433-04:00I chuckle at those obsessing about the punt format...I chuckle at those obsessing about the punt formation. Could somebody do a fact check and tell us how many punts were returned for TDs when the punt team had 11 players on the field? How about just 10?<br />The problems on this team are infinitely greater, and simpler, than play calling, schematics, and strategy. The root of the problem is what Hoke has been saying since the first game of 2011...doing the little things. Well sure, Hoke tells us they talk to the players about this that and the other thing...but do they actually demand that it be done? If so, what are the consequences when they aren't? What was the consequence for Magnuson when he was called for holding, on a run play of all things? What is the consequence for poor route running by WRs? Who was supposed to be on the field for the punt, wasn't, and if he was injured, why wasn't there a replacement? Who's in charge of this goat screw?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12160064972289467499noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-9036784039991661602014-09-21T23:53:39.170-04:002014-09-21T23:53:39.170-04:00I chuckle at those obsessing about the punt format...I chuckle at those obsessing about the punt formation. Could somebody do a fact check and tell us how many punts were returned for TDs when the punt team had 11 players on the field? How about just 10?<br />The problems on this team are infinitely greater, and simpler, than play calling, schematics, and strategy. The root of the problem is what Hoke has been saying since the first game of 2011...doing the little things. Well sure, Hoke tells us they talk to the players about this that and the other thing...but do they actually demand that it be done? If so, what are the consequences when they aren't? What was the consequence for Magnuson when he was called for holding, on a run play of all things? What is the consequence for poor route running by WRs? Who was supposed to be on the field for the punt, wasn't, and if he was injured, why wasn't there a replacement? Who's in charge of this goat screw?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-39618962171185290072014-09-21T23:25:49.306-04:002014-09-21T23:25:49.306-04:00I'm less concerned with the punt formation tha...I'm less concerned with the punt formation than the fact that hager up cant friggin punt!!!!! No distance control and a complete lack of any hang time. Maybe they should let him get high as it might improve his punting. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-89353299408785404872014-09-21T21:58:04.958-04:002014-09-21T21:58:04.958-04:00He feels pressure because there is pressure. I th...He feels pressure because there is pressure. I think Devin has actually shown improved patience in the pocket, but the pass protection is worse than last year.<br /><br />The big thing with Devin is inaccuracy. He was not this bad last year and his mechanics look to have devolved.<br /><br />You are just flat out making things up at this point re: Morris. Morris' stats are like Bellomy's, not remotely close to Navarre or Henne. Those guys had some struggles along the way but immediately had success. Navarre threw for 4 TDs/O INTS his first game and had 8 TDs to 1 INT his sophomore year, without the benefit of having a bowl game start under his belt at the same age. Henne was immediately good and never had any games as bad as KSU. I know you'll say the teammates were better and I won't disagree. Yet the fact remains-- Morris has been bad and another QB on the roster has been less bad.<br /><br />Look at Gardner's sack numbers and tell me the pressure isn't there. He isn't a lunatic, he is under fire.<br /><br />The arguments you make for Morris over Gardner can just as easily be made for Speights over Morris. We don't know his ceiling either. Or Bellomy for that matter.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-90840105228780156252014-09-21T21:49:13.671-04:002014-09-21T21:49:13.671-04:00The punt thing is huge because it speaks to Hoke&#...The punt thing is huge because it speaks to Hoke's head-in-the-sand (or backward looking, if you prefer that metaphor). Just like huddling and no headphones and other stuff. Maybe acceptable as quirk or personal preference if it's just one thing and you are winning. Taken in aggregate, coupled together....<br /><br />And, even if our O had come back to functionality, we could have lost the game because of that special teams TD. You can't say "ah it was just a bad play".The point is that it is an inferior strategy, that reduces your margin of error. Poor play is going to happen, you can mitigate for it or not. It's like saying "you have to execute". But why put yourself in a difficult position when you don't need to.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-46691886973031377112014-09-21T21:45:33.074-04:002014-09-21T21:45:33.074-04:00Agreed. I think we trounce Minnesota, as we did Ap...Agreed. I think we trounce Minnesota, as we did App State and Miami. Minnesota is not that much better. <br /><br />If we do not beat them easily, then you have two bits of evidence (ND and Minn) that this team is significantly worse than last year...and it'll be nail-in-coffin time for Hoke barring an upset against MSU and/or OSU on the road.<br />Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-48147081274431349132014-09-21T21:26:00.154-04:002014-09-21T21:26:00.154-04:00We agree to disagree.
Now I'm *really* intere...We agree to disagree.<br /><br />Now I'm *really* interested in the Minnesota game. By all rights -- even AFTER the Utah debacle -- Michigan should dispatch Minnesota without too much difficulty. <br /><br />If they do, it doesn't really prove much. If they don't ... well, then it tells a LOT.DonAZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-26665224647925570772014-09-21T21:20:35.903-04:002014-09-21T21:20:35.903-04:00Hoke's punt philosophy -- by itself -- is the ...Hoke's punt philosophy -- by itself -- is the least of our problems.<br /><br />Now, if you're saying his punt philosophy, as a proxy for his overall philosophy, is illustrative of gross incompetence ... then okay.<br /><br />Yesterday's punt return for TD on the punt was due to very poor special teams play. Not the punt formation per se.DonAZnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-6378106977164951262014-09-21T20:56:02.933-04:002014-09-21T20:56:02.933-04:00Mullen would be a great candidate if this was 4 ye...Mullen would be a great candidate if this was 4 years ago. Now Michigan would have to go through ANOTHER scheme transition. I'm not sure the program could weather that.<br /><br />Mullen is a great example of why we should be patient. There are some parallels to his arc at MSU with Hoke's at UM. Nobody seems to want to hear it, but more often than not it takes time to get it right. Most coaches deserve 5 years unless they show gross incompetence. Hoke's punt philosophy is the closest he's come to that. OL development was the other big question and there are some solid signs in that regard.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-47890074137932836932014-09-21T20:42:26.864-04:002014-09-21T20:42:26.864-04:00I'm not a guy who believes that just because y...I'm not a guy who believes that just because you're around success means you're the reason for it.<br /><br />Miles is not going to bring Louisiana and Texas recruiting to our backyard. He MIGHT try to bring the cheating and corruption at that program? You want that? You probably do. I don't.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-77387542342475162612014-09-21T20:37:38.889-04:002014-09-21T20:37:38.889-04:00@DonAZ
If this is a response to me, I meant no di...@DonAZ<br /><br />If this is a response to me, I meant no disrespect, but I disagree.<br /><br />I don't think a scheme change is the answer. It just sets back the program further. These half-steps and constant flux are how we got here. More of the same you say? No thanks.<br /><br />What they need to do is stick with it and get better. Taking their lumps, hopefully for the sake of a good conference season.<br /><br />Morris has been terrible. The results speak for themselves. The guy you're badmouthing has outplayed Morris at every single turn. Including yesterday. Morris might be good some day, he might not, but he's not good today. Throwing him out there will get you freshman year Mallet level outcomes. We've already seen it. It's not even a hypothetical. We know. Morris couldn't even produce with the game out of hand. Accuracy you say? To the opposition's DBs?<br /><br />The excuses for KSU don't apply to Utah. The exxcuse to Utah don't apply to KSU. The excuses for Gradner beating him out in practice...I don't know what those even are. There is simply not a single bit of evidence to say that Morris is a better QB. You might want him to be, but it doesn't mean his.<br /><br />The "well, we gotta try something" and the "we have nothing to lose arguments" - why not make those for Bellomy or Speights if you're going that route?<br /><br />The issues you mentioned -- most will still be there if he's a starter. And they are the same issues Gardner has to deal with.<br /><br />Hoke is going to play the best QB. I don't think it's very complicated.<br /><br />The best case scenario is 10-2, the worst case is 2-10. Either one is feasible. We have no clue if MSU and OSU are any better than Utah and ND, and this team can build off the bits of improvement they have shown in the run game. We know Gardner can play better than he is playing. Scheme changes take time. The defense can kick it up an extra notch. etc.<br /><br />I would say that OSU and MSU are 80% likely to be losses. I would say that Minnesota and Rutgers are 80% likely to be wins. Michigan will have to scrap and fight to get wins in the games in between but none are a sure loss - and none of those teams are as good as ND or Utah.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-9938103975359153902014-09-21T20:19:26.353-04:002014-09-21T20:19:26.353-04:00Dan Mullen would be far superior to Miles IMO.Dan Mullen would be far superior to Miles IMO.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-51856454540217484442014-09-21T20:18:48.537-04:002014-09-21T20:18:48.537-04:00Lank....I don't know what you have been watchi...Lank....I don't know what you have been watching, but Devin is becoming a head case. He feels pressure almost immediately after snapping the ball. We have almost two full seasons over the course of 3 seasons to go by with starts in all 3 of those seasons. Morris has 1 start over the course of 2 seasons and has 3 years less in the program. He is by no means John Navarre or Chad Henne, but statistically he isn't far off from either this far in his career. If you want to go based only on statistics he is killing Gardner in the rushing game. One could argue that he commands the game better because he isn't running around like a lunatic trying to avoid pressure that isn't there. With the extremely small sample size there is no way you can tell me that we know anything about Morris' ceiling. Give him the start, let Devin watch from the sidelines....who knows maybe he will see something that slows the game down for him and see what happens. This isn't about being the savior, this is about seeing who rises to the occasion and takes care of the ball. Nick.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-60393772600628411292014-09-21T19:44:08.331-04:002014-09-21T19:44:08.331-04:00The lack of respect for Utah, which is still preva...The lack of respect for Utah, which is still prevalent in everyone's hostility towards this whole situation is baffling.<br /><br />Utah is a better program than Michigan and has been for a decade now. They are in a better conference. They have a better coach. They have stability. They are 2-0 against us and will be heavily favored to be 3-0 by this time next year.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2440694009017367434.post-57028641905414745022014-09-21T19:40:06.714-04:002014-09-21T19:40:06.714-04:00I'd rather score points than not. Michigan sco...I'd rather score points than not. Michigan scored when Gardner threw interceptions and did not when he took sacks. He was told to be conservative, and he heeded his directive. The season collapsed from there.Lanknowsnoreply@blogger.com