RETURNING PLAYERS: Davis Warren (RS Sr.), Jadyn Davis (RS Fr.)
NEWCOMERS: Mikey Keene (RS Sr.), Bryce Underwood (Fr.)
DEPARTURES: Anthony Arnou (transfer portal), Jayden Denegal (transfer to San Diego State), Alex Orji (transfer to UNLV), Jack Tuttle (graduation/retirement)
OUTLOOK: Davis Warren started for the majority of the season in 2024, but to say it was a disappointing campaign would be an understatement. There were times when Warren was a turnover machine, and even though he cleaned things up a little bit down the stretch, there were some glaringly bad plays against Ohio State in the regular season finale. He completed 64.1% of his passes but for just 5.7 yards per attempt, 7 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions on the season. Still, he was at the helm for the upset win over the Buckeyes and started the ReliaQuest Bowl win against Alabama. Unfortunately, his torn ACL suffered in the bowl game will keep him out of spring participation.
That leaves Fresno State transfer Mikey Keene and true freshman early enrollee Bryce Underwood as the likely starters for each side in the spring game. Keene is a fifth year senior who has starting experience at UCF and Fresno State, including time spent at UCF under new offensive coordinator Chip Lindsey. Altogether, Keene has completed 67.8% of his career passes for 8,245 yards, 65 touchdowns, and 28 interceptions. Last year he was at 70.5% completions for 2,892 yards, 18 touchdowns, and 11 interceptions. He's a functional game manager who can handle short to intermediate throws, but he has a relatively weak arm and isn't much of a runner; he might be able to have a 2021 Cade McNamara-like performance if the offensive line and running game can hold up.
The phenom and wild card is Bryce Underwood. Underwood was an LSU commit for a long time before flipping to Michigan late in the early signing period. Much has been made of the NIL deal he received, but regardless, he's ranked as the #1 overall player in the country for 2025. He completed 71.8% of his passes as a senior, throwing for 2,509 yards, 32 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions; he also ran for more than 600 yards and scored 6 rushing touchdowns. At somewhere in the neighborhood of 6'3" and 215 pounds, he has the arm strength and speed to be a dynamic player. There are always growing pains for freshmen, so the biggest question mark is how quickly he downloads the playbook.
Just like in Any Given Sunday, Keene is the savvy veteran (Dennis Quaid) and Underwood is the ultra-talented young buck (Jamie Foxx). Michigan has two intriguing options going into spring ball, and it will be interesting to see who looks more ready to run the offense once April comes.
I think it's for the best that Warren is out for the spring as he should not factor into the starting conversation in 2025. If he is, Michigan is in bad shape.
ReplyDeleteWarren's passer rating in November was still a lowly 108. In the last 3 games of 2024 he still threw 3 INT in 63 pass attempts - 1 ever 21 passes. This is better than the first 3 games, granted, but still quite bad. For comparison -- Joe Milton in 2020 threw 4 in 141 pass attempts (1 ever 35 passes) and was widely criticized for being inaccurate and turnover prone. Meanwhile Warren didn't even attempt to throw downfield by seasons end and still turned the ball over at a much high rate. Even at his best, Warren was still very VERY bad. No thanks to another season of no downfield passing and high turnover rate.
I think Keene is clearly a more talented option as well as a more proven one. I think he's better than McNamara too. But yeah, Keene's not an NFL caliber player, so the ceiling is limited with him. Underwood is going to be the guy everyone is watching.
We'll see if the hype is warranted or if he's Shane Morris 2.0. Readiness as a freshman is one issue - not being a bust is another.
Sounds like Jadyn Davis is the third guy in the mix according to our OC. Would be surprise given how far away he was as a freshman but development isn't always linear.
My 13 year old teases my 10 year old that he is "too short" to do various things that have nothing to do with height and that just reminded me of Thunder's Jadyn Davis take LOL. Keene is 5'11 also so we'll get a couple opportunities to test this QB theory.
I mean, we'll see about Jadyn Davis. I don't think there's anyone who expects him to start this season. If he's the third guy, his starting would require something to happen to the first two.
DeleteAs for Mikey Keene, yeah, he's short and might start...and that's only after Michigan struck out on Miller Moss (6'2"), Billy Edwards (6'3"), and others. Clearly, they preferred taller players and settled on Keene.
I agree that Keene was a settle. I don't think it's clear that height was the issue being settled upon though. Jake Rudock and Jon Navarre and Jack Tuttle and Jadyn Denegal were also QBs where Michigan had to settle (relative to better possible options), but they were pretty tall.
DeleteDavis and McNamara were recent priority recruits under Harbaugh and are only a bit taller (6'1) than Keene (5'11). So again, I think it's making more out of height than it is in practice. Moore has talked about it as a priority at WR but not QB.
I agree Davis is probably #3 to start the year but if Keene is really that limited (by his height, arm strength, or anything else), you'd think a consensus top 10 national QB recruit might be stepping up as he enters his sophomore year. If not to start the season at least you'd expect some closing of the gap towards the end of the season. But yeah, we'll have to see. The freshman year was exceedingly quiet for such a high rated recruit given the ineptitude shown by the 3 guys ahead of him.
I maybe more optimistic on both Keene and Davis than some, but I do hope that is a moot point and Underwood is all that he is hyped to be.
Okay, so you're confirming that Jim Harbaugh never recruited a 5'11" quarterback?
DeleteAnd nor has any coach in modern Michigan history?
Historically, Michigan would have landed Billy Edwards or Miller Moss, because historically, Michigan has usually had an offense that would feature at least one receiver. We all know the track record of receivers under Schembechler (toward the end), Moeller, and Carr. If this were Lloyd Carr's program, it would never have lost Edwards to Wisconsin, because Carr would have had a Braylon Edwards or a David Terrell or a Mario Manningham or a Steve Breaston for Edwards to throw to, as well as a good tight end.
For better or worse, Michigan is now in an era where they've won by having a starting running back run for 1,000 yards and a backup running back running for 900-ish yards and then a crappy year in 2024 where they committed to the run while having really poor QB play.
If this were vintage Michigan from the Lloyd Carr days, Miller Moss would be the starting QB for 2025. I know times have changed and whatnot, but that's kind of the point. These guys have options, and Michigan is settling because of it.
No I'm not confirming anything but I am not personally aware of Harbaugh ever recruiting a 5'11 QB. Davis and McNamara are slightly taller than that.
DeleteI am only aware of Sherrone Moore doing it and Rich Rodriguez doing it. So I can confirm that " nor has any coach in modern Michigan history" is incorrect.
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/denard-robinson/3200524f-4239-9206-3c5f-7886cd511997
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The Carr era started 30 years ago and ended almost 20 years ago. In the 90s and early aughts Miller Moss would still playing for the college team he committed to out of high school most likely. Not Michigan. Pocket bound passers are a lot less common than they used to be back then because teams don't want to be one-dimensional at the position.
Miller/Edwards not coming to Michigan is because of NIL spending decisions (Underwood) and offensive philosophy (SMASH) and the ineptitude shown in 2024 (Warren/Orji/Tuttle) not only about the quality of WRs. This David Terrell etc take is goofy. Michigan publically stated they wanted taller WRs not better WRs and (per Sam Webb) they are allocating less money to the WR position than other teams because they identify as a run heavy team.
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I don't agree with the statement that they need 1000 yard rusher, nor a backup with 900 yards rushing to have a successful season, make the playoff, et
Michigan won a national title where their backup RB had fewer than 500 yards rushing. Michigan also had multiple 10 win seasons where their top RB ran for under 1000 yards in the Harbaugh era. c. They need a strong running game I think (see comment about identity above) -- but if that happens with a rotation in the backfield or a QB taking a bigger share -- There's a lot of way to skin a cat. I don't think any of the options are bad. We don't have to have a primary/lead ball-carrier taking on a heavy load. If we do, something is probably wrong or someone is probably hurt.
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I do not think a QB under 6'2 or whatever else is a problem either.
Times have changed. People have options and Michigan does too. Michigan chose to invest millions in a QB out of high school over trying to get an expensive QB out of the portal. Height isn't the primary thing here and if it was Michigan would have chosen to go with someone other than Keene. If Harbaugh, Moore (and Lindsay) were as concerned about height as you are Thunder, they would not have recruited Jadyn Davis, Cade McNamara, Mikey Keene among others.
"Michigan publically stated they wanted taLL WRs n0t b3tt3r WRs and (per Sam Webb) ... "
Deletethis is such a lie, it's hilarious
https://www.si.com/college/michigan/recruiting/michigan-football-getting-spring-visit-from-top-ranked-wide-receiver-2026-class
#oNlYtAllwRs
Fake quotes snipped from the liar JeLLLLLLLLLLLLy plus unrelated QuOt3s. Sad even by his low standards.
DeleteThe many Ls are for lies.
Now hold up this L.
Right there, fifth paragraph in your essay on 24 Feb at 3:02 PM ... but that was a different username
Delete#exposed
#tooeasy
Yeah, I'm confused. je93 pulled that quote about the size of receivers from what you said up above, Lank. Then you said he's using a fake quote.
DeleteFake Quote by Jelly:
Delete"Michigan publically stated they wanted taLL WRs n0t b3tt3r WRs and (per Sam Webb) ... "
Actual Quote by Lank:
"Michigan publically stated they wanted taller WRs not better WRs and (per Sam Webb) they are allocating less money to the WR position than other teams because they identify as a run heavy team."
No 3s to be seen. The quote is fake.
No lies told either. Michigan continuing to recruit the WR position does not contradict what Moore said at multiple points this season about seeking height and length, specifically, without mentioning any other traits.
"Yeah, I mean that was an emphasis for me. I really wanted to, for us, add size and length. Really haven't had a big 6'5 guy since Nico Collins. I've said really good players that have played here. Roman Wilson, CJ, all those guys. But wanted some big guys. Just your room, your margin for error for a quarterback. It's just easy, right? You throw to Colson Loveland and AJ Barner last year. You throw high to a 6'6 guy. It's different than throwing high to a 5'11 guy. So wanted to have that variance in our receiving room and felt like we got that with Jamar and Jacob. "
Said the same when talking about the portal efforts.
It's the same quote. Why lie? Oh I get it, eVeRy aCcUsAti0n iS a c0nFesSi0n ... but let's put your misinterpretion/misrepresentation:
Delete1) is a visit by the #1WR in the class (Tristen Keys) wanting "taller" but "NOT better?"
Yes or No question Lank ... try not to dodge or write an essay
2) does Moore say he wants to "ADD size & length" or recruit ONLY size & length (see question one for hint)?
Yes or No question Lank ... try not to dodge or write an essay
#tooeasy
#outsmarted
#n0tbUiLtf0rtHiS
It's fake because you can't handle the truth.
DeleteIs the earth going around the sun an indication of wanting better not taller? Don't dodge!
#another L
#just doing it to himself
That's it?
DeleteHa, white flag accepted
Fantasizing about Lank and Dubs that don't exist -- jeLLLLLLLLLLLy being jeLLLLLLLLy
DeleteAvoiding the quote ... at least you have name changes
Deleteje93February 26, 2025 at 10:09 PM
Delete"2) does Moore say he wants to "ADD size & length" or recruit ONLY size & length (see question one for hint)? Yes or No question Lank ."
It's actually NOT a Yes or no question.
#not built for it
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I'll now try to explain something with logic, to someone who doesn't even possess enough to know what a YES/NO question is. A fool's errand, admittedly.
1. Michigan RECRUITING people is not ADDING anything. Michigan has RECRUITING both tall and excellent WR for the last several years. Continuing to do so doesn't ADD anything nor does it change anything. Tristen Keys isn't an indicator of any change. Period.
2. Moore signed Marsh, Goodwin, and Stewart in the last 2 classes (plus Simpson in the portal). Nobody claimed Michigan would never recruit anyone under 6' whatever. That's a strawman (i.e., fantasy). Covered and dismissed in the Simpson post a couple months back -- but some people just want to argue and never learn. Going so far as to repost links to their past Ls.
What Moore DID say is he wanted to change something specific about the character of the room. Change what he is focused on having in there. He said it multiple times. It was both detailed and consistent. Quotes therein were provided, multiple times, on this web blog.
Replacing Morris with McCulley is an indicator of said change - focused on adding height not other traits. Replacing Charleston with Simpson isn't an indicator of it - but it isn't clear what it IS adding at all either. Likely nothing. Treading water.
So what has Moore ADDed? Height. That's it.
Moore's actions are matching with Moore's words. This was the concern.
And it's come to fruition, so far. WR looks like a weakness relative to other playoff contenders and maybe most Big Ten teams as a whole. All of the meaningful contributors, other than Morgan, from the 2023 team are gone. Replaced by freshman and sophomores who haven't done much, a guy who got benched by Indiana, and elevated roles for walk-ons.
Height is also the thing that Moore talked about when discussing what the 2025 recruiting class was bringing to the table. So it's a focus. Clearly. To anyone not trying to twist the truth by arguing ADDing isn't subtracting, it's pretty clear what is happening. And we've seen this before (with Brady Hoke focusing on similar things).
Moore has overseen a change in the room since 2023 (additions and subtractions, both) and the net effect so far is more size/length. Nothing else is evident.
No matter how many ducks, dodges, deflections, lies, and fantasies come from jeLLLLLLLLLy the L-er, Moore is doing just what he said he would do.
I hope it works. I'm skeptical it will. It's another change from Harbaugh football that I have serious questions about.
An essay with no answer. Let's try again:
DeleteIs Keys taller but not better?
Did Moore say ADD or ONLY size?
Anything more than a single word response is a dodge Lank
#noessays
"Tristen Keys isn't an indicator of any change"
This conflicts with your claim Moore only wants size
#walkingcontradiction
"It's pretty clear"
Then, why does it take an essay, without answering simple questions?
#dodge
Imagine the effort, only to fail ... be sure to tell the kids!
#n0tw0rThrEpLyiNgt0o
I would rate the QB position a B-, with potential of being upgraded higher depending on how well Underwood plays. At the very least with Mikey Keene, we have a dependable starter (probably still in the bottom half of Big Ten QB ranking). I hope we start hearing great things about Underwood in spring training.
ReplyDeleteI predict we'll hear that all the QBs are showing great promise, and "it's a real competition" and all that. But it's not really: Keene was brought in to be the floor, and Underwood is the horse the program plans to ride. Jadyn Davis will probably portal out after this year.
DeleteBryce Underwood is a significantly more accurate passer than was Shane Morris. The problem with that statement of course is that it is an almost perfect definition of damnation by faint praise.
ReplyDeleteHe is a bunch bigger and stronger than was freshman JJ McCarthy, as he is within a pound or two of 23 year old JJ McCarthy. And while this is football and the single worst thing in football is injuries, he should prove to be harder to break than JJ. I was terribly anxious typing the previous sentence out of respect for the jinx, so if this all goes wrong, it's probably fair to blame me.
If it's me, Keene is being groomed for doodoo happening, I'm living with freshman mistakes with my eye on the prize.
I suspect this is mostly what we'll see ... Keene will probably start the first game, and when the game is in hand -- may it be so -- we'll see Jadyn Davis and Underwood brought in to hand off the ball and maybe do some low-risk passing. Davis Warren, bless his heart, has to know his playing days are over.
DeleteThe plan for 2025 is almost certainly to bring Underwood in and have him starting by the end of the year, if at all possible.
My comparison to Morris is purely to note that very highly rated players regularly don't workout according to plan. Until Underwood shows up and does it in a winged helmet we don't know what he is. Hopes are hopes.
DeleteInjuries are impossible to predict IMO.
Warren could potentially pursue a 6th year if he sits out the season due to injury. That could be at another school if Underwood is locked in at starter.
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DeleteI would like to see Underwood get a chance to play and take the training wheels off early in the year. If Michigan's window starts in 2025 to do some damage (maybe not win a national championship, but make the playoff), I think they're going to need Underwood down the stretch.
I don't necessarily mean I want him to start and throw the ball all over the place, but if he's capable, I would like it to be a little more like Brady/Henson when they alternated quarters and then went with the hot hand or whatever. If he's capable, I want Underwood to be involved early.
My hope is Underwood is ready to take over as we enter October
DeleteI just don't expect much from Keene, though I agree he's an upgrade over Warren, and am grateful we won't be tempted with the Orji gimmick
I agree with the caution that Underwood will have some ups and downs and that frosh QBs typically struggle. The difference here is that UM doesn't really have a strong QB room returning and that typically, #1 recruits usually have a significant role. I would be surprised if Underwood is not the starter by game 8, if not sooner.
DeleteNo doubt Underwood is going to play but Keene is a guy who is completing around 70% of his passes and has 8K yards under his built and knows the OCs system. The QB room is stronger than last year just by having Keene in the mix.
DeleteYes, Keene provides a decent floor. I haven't looked at the advanced stats but my guess is that his compl % is 70 because he throws 80% of this passes within 10 yards of the LOS. That has not typically been Michigan's DNA but of course that could change with a new coordinator. But in the end I think Underwood is a better fit for Michigan and that will ultimately swing the balance as the season goes on.
DeleteI get why Keene is considered a floor raiser but his ceiling is higher than the 3 guys we had last year also.
DeleteI agree that Keene probably has a pretty low production in air yards and is limited in arm strength. But...Michigan didn't throw downfield in 2024 either! So he should be an upgrade just by being able to read defenses, see what's in front of him, and complete the easy throws.
This is what last year looked like:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_JFarATeW4
https://www.espn.co.uk/video/clip?id=41890430
and we know Orji wasn't the answer either.
Keene is better than those guys.
IMO it's hard to know exactly what Moore's vision for the offense is (because the QB play was so bad last year). We assume that he (like Harbagh) wants to run the ball straight through a defense since he was the OC in '21 to '23 and talks about SMASH but '24 was when he had full control for the first time and we got a very schizophrenic season by Campbell/Moore. At times we just ran right at people (with generally good results) and other times we tried to throw a lot (with universally bad results). So who knows.
The issue with assuming we are SMASH is the OL may not be there to execute it, so what then do you want to ask your QB to do?
Do you want him to go out and avoid mistakes and try to win low scoring games on the strength of your defense or do you want him to go out there and make plays, even if it means living with turnovers sometimes. To me it's all pretty TBD. Underwood is a huge wildcard.
Keen was mid at the G5 level. Until he proves otherwise, he's a (higher floor) place holder
DeleteWe need better
Keene was all conference at the G5 level, not mid. He set some records for accuracy at Fresno and was recruited by Gus Malzhan at a (now) Big 12 school (UCF).
DeleteUntil he proves otherwise, he's better than Cade McNamara (who was good enough to make the playoff with at Michigan but stunk at Iowa) and Davis Warren (who was good --well not bad -- enough to win against OSU and Alabama with at Michigan but didn't get any D1 offers out of high school).
We'll see what we need when the season starts. A lot of what we need at QB depends on how good the team around the QB is. Keene brings a big talent upgrade relative to 2024. So he raises the ceiling and the floor relative to what we had.
Haha, he's better HERE than guys who have already won HERE ... also, we're all almost always wrong ... okay then
DeleteI am happy that Keene is here and he certainly provides a decent floor, added depth, and takes a bit of pressure off Underwood. You say Keene is better than Cade. Not sure I agree or how you determine that but even if so, it look a great defense and literally the best OL in football (along with solid WR) for Michigan to get to the playoff (yes, it's expanded now) with Cade. I think it's unlikely that this Michigan team will make the playoff with a full year of Keene as the starter.
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DeleteIt's based on what they have done in his career. Did you see how McNamara did when NOT at Michigan?
McNamara had a passer rating of 113. He completed 57% of his passes and threw INTs on 3.1% of his passes. 5.8 YPA. 10 TDs and 8 INTs.
In contrast Keene has a 141 passer rating, completed 68% of his passes and threw INTs on 2.4% of his passes. 7.0 YPA. 65 TDs to 28 INTs.
Water tends to find it's level and in 2025 Keene will be at Michigan while McNamara will be a east middle kentucky tennessee state college.
Keene will be getting a far better supporting cast than he's ever had before. McNamara will be getting a far worse supporting cast than he's ever had before. Competition level (the defenses they face) will change too, but McNamara is taking Jelly Way (tuck tail and seek the easy path) and to me that's an indictment. Keene is challenging himself and betting on himself despite going up against the #1 recruit in the country.
Bottomline -- we know now that the 2021 Michigan football team won despite a QB who isn't really power 5 caliber. Keene may or may not be either, but he's been a better college football player than Cade all things considered.
I don't know if Michigan will be a playoff team or not but that's really a separate question from Keene vs McNamara or Keene vs Warren/Orji/Tuttle. We weren't a playoff team in 2024 either.
So I call it both a floor raiser and ceiling raiser. We got better at QB, period, regardless of Underwood. That's relative to Warren/Orji/Tuttle. We can win with QBs of this caliber (because we've done it before). That's relative to McNamara.
G5 is not a conference. FresnoSt is in the Mountain West, and Keene got an Honorable mention nod in that 12 team conference
DeleteKeene's QBR was ranked 92 in the nation; even in MWC, he was 8th
https://www.espn.com/college-football/qbr
Ranked 47th in passTD
Compl% was great (boosted by games against Air Force, Hawaii and New Mexico)
YPA was 61st
PFF was 64th
Led his team to ... 6-6
That's mid, at best
Keene did this at FresnoSt, playing against SacState and San Jose ... not at MICHIGAN; not against the B1G ... roll credits
#notfeelings
#facts
#relevantfacts
Yeah like I said Keene was all conference. His conference is in the G5. His completion percentage was great.
DeleteKeene also played against Michigan who I believe (but please fak1 c3eck this!) is in the Big Ten.
In that game, facing the MIchigan Defense, with zero NFL players around him, he outperformed Davis Warren, facing the Fresno State Defense, with several NFL players around him and outperformed Davis Warren.
Josiah Stewart also played at a lower level of competition and he came to Michigan and thrived.
HOLD IT UP jeLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLy
L=another loss
Dodged on the WRs questions
DeleteDodging on Keene's stats
Taking a lot of Ls
#eVeRyAcCuSsAti0nIsAc0nFeSsi0n
So thirsty! Back to fantasizing....
DeleteBring back the emojis emojiman
aaand ... still dodging
Delete#notbuilt4this
DeleteYour comments were addressed.
"Owner Handing out LsFebruary 26, 2025 at 11:17 PM
Yeah like I said Keene was all conference. His conference is in the G5. His completion percentage was great."
Hold it up. Even when you try and move the goalposts you take the L. Can't resist. Masochist.
Nice try, but FAIL
DeleteYou're dodging on Keene's stats:
je93 on 26 Feb at 9:58 PM
#mid
#jeisrightagain
In 2024 the program was forced to ride barely serviceable QBs (Orji, Tuttle, Warren) because of an almost criminal neglect of the position in the final years of Harbaugh's reign. Securing Bryce Underwood means the program will look to get Underwood on the field as quickly as it is practically possible. Keene knows this and Jadyn Davis knows this. When -- not if, but when -- Underwood comes in, we'll see a lot of very conservative play calling, with the objective being to protect him while he learns the college game. It'll look a lot like what we saw with McCarthy in 2021.
ReplyDeleteMore important they maximize him for 2026 than rush him to the field in 2025. But I do think McCarthy in 2021 is a pretty reasonable draft of early season expectations.
DeleteUnderwood maybe more ready though as a freshman than McCarthy was. Also Michigan may need more from the QB position than they needed in 2021 (given the questions at OL).
Flashback to last year's preview. Something's never change
ReplyDeletehttp://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2024/03/2024-spring-football-preview-quarterback.html
Posting your Ls for posterity. Well done Jelllllllllly
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DeleteI'm not the one who made the claim - and followed it up with a NY resolution. I actually enjoy the easy WINS
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The fantasy embodied. "The claim" is something in your mind that you've made clear to no one else. Something from 1 year ago. But go ahead and claim that dub, just know it's pure fantasy. You're just embarrassing yourself.
Delete#no quotes just Ls
#fantasy
So you never said I'm not worth responding to? You never made a new year resolution based on page2 replies?
DeleteBet me Lank!
#preparetododge
#iamright
*this is on page2 now ... do you ignore or collapse under your obsession with je? Ask your kids!
A friend of mine made an obvious point that I hadn't considered. Underwood will have had two full series of real practices before camp even begins. Not to mention months of study opportunity. We've not had that before. That's pretty big. The game is gonna still be going pretty fast for him, but he should know the playbook.
ReplyDeleteThen, if you get the Flu, try this guy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdxqnS_WUqg&t=93s
He's not the greatest presenter I've ever watched, but he's got a crap ton of video going back all the way to the Flying V. The triple option one is pretty good.
He also wrote a book titled, I've Been Dead, But I've Never Been To Europe. I just kept on going past that one.
On the subject of books, reading Ghengis Kahn and the Making of the Modern World.
DeleteAmong the non warfare stuff he came up with was the invention of hunting season and the Pony Express. He strictly enforced the notion of religious freedom and ended the practice of slavery in that culture. He abolished the idea of inherited offices and positions within government. Then ... of course ... he exempted that practice from the position of Khan.
Bonehead!!! They could have maybe gone on as an empire for some more hundreds of years.
Hardcore CFB on YouTube is some legit football junkie stuff!
DeleteUnderwood will have plenty of time - which is the big red flag for Jadyn Davis - but the level of competition is the shock he's in for. He's going to see defenses that require experience & learning curve
I'm just hoping for Octoberish. That's not too greedy, is it?
Jadyn Davis was also an early enrollee. It didn't matter one bit in that case.
DeleteI think someone was saying that Underwood is pretty young as well so some guys who come in with tons of camps and extra years of prep school or whatever are going to maybe be more ready than he will be, even with the early enrollee benefits.
Hence, red flag for Jadyn Davis
Delete@ Lank 3:21 p.m.
DeleteIt's presumptuous to say that Davis's early enrollment didn't matter one bit. He's a small quarterback who's not much of a runner. He's going to make hay (or not) by knowing the game, reading defenses, being accurate and timely with the football, etc. Those extra practices in spring 2024 could be very valuable for him moving forward, even if they didn't turn into immediate playing time. He might be 20% closer to his ceiling because of those practices, that time in the weight room, etc.
Very small, but a former 5star, highly coveted 4star QB who got on campus for playoff practices, then Spring & Fall and a 12 game season
DeleteI'm not saying he should have started. Davis Warren was obviously ahead. But that last statement hurts to type! When Davis Warren got injured, the young guy should have gotten more consideration than the Gimmick, who finished with an embarrassing 9yds on the ground and ONE pass attempt beyond the dang line of scrimmage - directly at an uncovered Defender
Red flag indeed
@Thunder
DeleteYes I agree that Davis could have been (and likely was) helped by the EE. I'm saying it didn't make a difference in making him a contributor on the field as a freshman. This is response to Roanman's comment that Underwood:
"will have had two full series of real practices before camp even begins. Not to mention months of study opportunity. We've not had that before. That's pretty big. "
It was not big in Davis' case (at least as it relates to team outcomes). It could be for Underwood but we'll just have to wait and see.
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I understand that Thunder wrote off Davis before he even got here.
Davis' freshman year wasn't encouraging, mostly because the QB play was terrible, indicating he was clearly not close to being ready. YET. But a lot of freshman need time. Not really a problem necessarily, so I am not writing him off. Tom Brady and Kalel Mullings didn't do much as freshman either.
Davis was very successful in high school and came with very good recruiting rankings. A quiet freshman year isn't a red flag for a QB. We'll see what happens going forward.
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We'll see what Davis becomes but either way to me, it's another cautionary example of not expecting too much from ANY freshman, even a highly ranked one like Underwood. Regardless of his hype and how ready he is considered to be, a freshman is still a freshman in the end.
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I'm no different than anyone else in the sense that I think and hope Underwood is THE MAN. I hope Keene is an effective short-term option - a bridge to glory with Underwood. I think/agree Davis is 3rd and least likely to be starter in 2025.
But my whole thing is that our QB projections rarely work out the way we expect them to. With the exception of JJ working out excellently, our consensus 2 year out projections have almost always been wrong for the last few decades. Injuries alone are hard to predict but add in transfers, NFL departures, busts, coaching changes...you're going to be wrong most of the time. Whether we are talking about Dylan McCaffrey, Shane Morris, Tate Forcier, Cade McNamara, Wilton Speight, Matt Guttierez, Joe Milton, Alex Orji, Tom Brady -- theres countless examples of guys not being what they were expected to be, in one way or another. I expect that to continue to be the case even while hoping Underwood wins the next 3 heismans like the great Rick Mirer.
"We're all wrong, always ... "
Delete"But here's another dissertation anyway"
Inventing fake quotes again. Self-own. Fantasy.
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DeleteWere you wrong then, or are you wrong now?
You posting fake quotes is your L and no one elses.
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From data nerd Connelly:
ReplyDelete"Sherrone Moore's first season succeeding Jim Harbaugh saw a black hole at the position, with either Davis Warren's low-upside passing or Alex Orji's RUN-ONLY approach" (emphasis mine)
It's almost like the whole gimmick thing was predictive
#Dub
https://www.espn.com/college-football/insider/story/_/id/44011175/initial-2025-college-football-sp+-rankings-every-fbs-team
Wow a non-sequitur how many days after Thunder's post?
DeleteRent free?
Rent free
You mean the day the article got to my feed?
Delete#outsmarted
So rent free you see the need to post here DAYS later with an offtopic quote?!?
DeleteTo fantasize over a dub!?!
Here's an ontopic quote:
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je93February 26, 2025 at 10:09 AM
I mean, it's literally in the title ... bad interpretations!
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From the 2025 spring RB post but same guy here on the 2025 spring QB post desperately talking about QBs who aren't here and S&P rankings.
So thirsty!
LOLOLOLOL
#outsmarted?
#youwish
#inyourdreams
#jeLLLLyGoNnAjeLLLLLLy
It's an annual preview ... with a reference to the last annual preview
DeleteUpset at another face plant? I'm just here to point them out!
#tooeasy