Michigan quarterback Joe Milton is no longer Michigan quarterback Joe Milton. He has chosen to enter the transfer portal.
Milton was a class of 2018 recruit ranked as a 247 Composite 4-star, the #9 pro-style quarterback, and #204 overall. I gave him a TTB Rating of 88 (LINK).
Hit the jump for more.
Here's what I said about him in my scouting report, when I ranked him #6 of Michigan's targeted quarterbacks (LINK):
He’s a big, strong-looking kid who doesn’t need much physical development for the next level. If you watch his film, you’ll see a couple very strong throws as the right-hander rolls to his left, something that is very impressive. Claiming a 4.69 forty, he’s a decent athlete but not a dynamic one with his legs. He reminds me a lot of Devin Gardner with the way he moves and throws the ball, though Gardner was a superior overall athlete. I think Milton has a lot of work to do on his footwork, both from shotgun and under center. Instead of stepping up in the pocket, he has a tendency to fade backward, which could be problematic if it’s not fixed. I’d like to see him carry the ball higher and keep both hands on it, too. So there’s some polishing to be done, but overall, I like what Milton brings to the table as a developmental quarterback.
My top four was Trevor Lawrence (Clemson), Matt Corral (now at Ole Miss), Artur Sitkowski (now at Rutgers), and Dorian Thompson-Robinson (UCLA). Nobody else on that list has done anything of note, and Sitkowski's one noteworthy thing is that he threw 18 interceptions in '18.
I have posted a lot about Milton over the years, particularly a play-by-play breakdown of his 2019 season here (LINK). I was not enthused by Milton's play at Michigan, and I think it was the wrong choice to choose him as the starter over Dylan McCaffrey. Now McCaffrey is gone (Northern Colorado) and so is Milton.
Milton finishes his Michigan career having completed 86/152 passes (56.6%) for 1,194 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 6 interceptions. He also ran 50 times for 156 yards (3.1 yards/carry) and 3 touchdowns.
Here's what Michigan has left:
- Cade McNamara (RS So.): 4-star QB who had one good game for Michigan before immediately getting injured in 2020
- Dan Villari (RS Fr.): 3-star QB who was a last-minute offer in 2020 class
- J.J. McCarthy (Fr.): 5-star QB
Usually, it seems like players transfer closer to home. Florida was a major player for Milton back during his recruitment, but that seems like an unlikely landing spot now. My guess is that he'll end up at a non-Power 5 school in the south (UCF, USF, FAU, FIU, etc.).
Shocker? Not really
ReplyDeleteI stand by the assessment that Milton needs starter reps in practice, and live game PT. Not just garbage time, but actual games. I don't think he's good enough to do that in the G5 either, at least not right away. FCS makes more sense, if he really wants to get to the league. If he does well with 12+ games a year, the NFL scouts will find him
Doubtful, but I wish him luck
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You are absolutely right that he needs massive amounts of live game experience to begin to fulfill his physical potential. And I agree that a competitive G5 program isn't going to wait around and watch him lose games (he makes catastrophic decisions) in order to develop. Frankly, I'm not sure he's a difference maker at a competitive FCS team either. I feel he'd be better off at a mediocre G5 team where he might make a difference.
DeleteI think he's better than an FCS player. His offer list says a bunch of FBS coaches also agree. It's not like he was a Dan Villari type whose only FBS opportunity came from Michigan.
DeleteI don't think Milton is headed for stardom at a lower-level FBS program, but I do think he can go somewhere and start. His physical superiority is going to look even more impressive against teams where he's bigger than their defensive ends and faster than their linebackers.
I say FCS because Milton needs a lot of time, and a great deal of reps
DeleteThere's some REALLY good G5 programs, and some play a bit too fast for a guy who admits to only now understand how defenses work
If he goes to a mediocre G5, he could be overwhelmed by some of the better competition, further damaging his mental grasp at the game (which took a beating in 2020)
I don't consider the offer list coming out of HS. At that time, Milton was all potential. Three years later, he is what he is
Congrats to Milton for graduating from Michigan. He stuck it out longer than many expected and faced more skepticism and criticism than most young QBs. Good luck and good health to him at his next stop.
ReplyDeleteMilton follows in recent tradition of McCaffrey, Peters, Speight, Morris and Bellomy - starters who got beat out (or saw the writing on the wall) and moved on after graduating. Just kidding, McCaffrey never started a game at Michigan.
Not so fun fact: It's been more than a decade since Michigan has brought in a starting QB who both began and ended his career in AA: Devin Gardner, a RichRod recruit. I believe the last 3 are Gardner, Robinson, and Henne though I may have missed a fill-in somewhere.
Hopefully McCarthy breaks the streak. I'm skeptical anyone who couldn't beat out Milton in practice is going to be the man for the next however many years but we'll see.
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That would have been a better joke if you hadn't included Bellomy, who also never started a game at Michigan.
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Milton had a couple of bad tendencies in high school that his coaches tried to correct in his 3 years of high school play. They were not able to change him. This struck a note with me when I read about it at Rivals when they dropped hom something like 90 places in their final assessment of him. Unfortunately its hard to change things that have become part of a persons character. There was always huge "upside" with Joe Milton. I wouldn't have even offered him to come to Michigan. A school like Michigan needs QBs that arent such a big gamble in trying to reach that upside. Ohio St won't wait for such things when they face Michigan. Get a good QN now, or forever wish you could compete for a BIG 10 title.
ReplyDeleteI agree that a smaller university is where he should go, which is where I thought he should have gone from the beginning. He has a much better chance at playing time in one of those. But honestly, I not sure he can earn starter at one of those either. But he has a much better chance there.
He's getting an good education at a far, far smaller cost than the average student. That is what he will be taking away from this chapter in his life that will be very valuable in his future.
I still have serious question about Josh Gattis naming him starter. Him doing that says something about him that doesn't spell well for him.
It was bad enough to take such a project as the longer QB in the class. Criminal to start him
DeleteWas Dylan better? From what we saw, I think so. Was Cade? Most definitely. Does that mean either were great? Far from. This is about the most important position on the field, and Harbaugh's streak of failure at identification & development of talent
Big F-
I'm not sure it's actually a smaller cost if you factor in the hours of unpaid work that go into it. One of those funny math situations that comes up when you talk about paying players. Sure go ahead, but then are you going to charge them tuition now that they are gainfully employed? Include room board and tuition and tutors and health care and you're looking at low six figures easy.
DeleteI say the players ARE paid. Probably underpaid at the powerhouses and overpaid at the lower tiers, but that too ventures into funny math territory.
The best analogy in my mind is grad students (RAs/GAs/TAs) who pay just as much as everyone else (or more) but are also employed by and earn income from the school. The difference being the level of transparency, compensatory competition between schools, and the option of "going pro" being restriction-free.
Anyway, the point is you can easily argue the student athletes 'pay' a much higher cost (given the work they put in) than your typical student, particularly if you look at football specifically and the long-term health impacts.
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On Gattis - we'll see about that. People said similar stuff about Hamilton when Peters transferred but guess what: Peters wasn't good then and he isn't good now.
DeleteI really liked McCaffrey's skillset and wasn't too worried about the arm limitations because I value running QBs but his passing performance at Michigan in 3 years was even less impressive than Milton's 3 years despite having every possible advantage in high school. Beyond the field, I'd still like to know the background on why McCaffrey bailed on the team entirely.
Once McCaffrey was out of the picture it was down to McNamara and Milton and while McNamara provided an immediate bump against Rutgers he was far from an obvious answer. Again you need only remember back to Brandon Peters, even heavily protected by the coaching staff, looking somewhere between functional and awful against anyone that was not Rutgers. It seems to me that Gattis played this the right way, considering Milton was injured and inconsistent. It seems like a pick-your-poison situation.
To this day I can't think of an example where the coaching staff clearly played the wrong QB other than Shane Morris.
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I didn't like what I saw from Milton in 2018-2019, but alarm bells really started ringing when I watched an interview with him last summer and he said he finally learned how to read coverages. As in he didn't know how to read coverages during year one and year two.
ReplyDeleteYour first year starting at QB in the Big Ten shouldn't be the first time you think you understand how to read coverage.
Good point. Doesn't it take years to develop this skill? He probably shouldn't have been starting given his lack of experience and skill development needs. That there weren't better options around is on the coaching staff.
DeleteThe way it went down: Speight scared by Peters/Patterson and then transfers, Milton and McCaffrey pass Peters who then transfers, Milton passes McCaffrey who then transfers, McNamara than passes Milton who then transfers. And on it goes.
It's always going to be competitive, injuries factor in tremendously, and QBs transfer a lot more than most spots, sure. But that's poor roster management no matter how you slice it.
We're lucky Patterson stuck around for 2019. Michigan should be hunting around the portal for another veteran QB if you ask me.
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Let's be factual: milton never passed Peters. In fact, Harbaugh never released a depth chart with milton ahead. Peters wanted to transfer, and was put on the back burner. Did Milton pass Mac? We don't know. What was supposed to be a QB battle, ended with an abrupt transfer, before the pads went on
DeleteWas there a better option? Yes, Cade proved it in game, against the same opponents and with less practice time
Harbaugh just screwed up. The QB position has been a disaster
I see JE wants to talk with Lank again. Very surprising. Rent free is how this goes? On to the show...
DeleteHarbaugh doesn't publish updated depth charts but you're sure you know what it looked like? OK. Harbaugh makes playing time decisions. There's your depth chart. It's very likely said decisions contributed to Peters decision if not directly caused it.
Speight, Patterson, and Rudock were all solid. That's 4 of 6 years. Disaster? Maybe to the emotionally unstable.
McNamara 2020 = Peters 2017. But I give more credit to Cade since the coaches weren't so obviously petrified to do anything with him (then again the 2017 defense was better so that approach made some sense. Gattis didnt have the luxury).
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Did I say I know what it looked like, or that no one does? That's lie #1
Delete"Very likely" is not a fact. Lie #2
Speight & patterson were good against really bad competition. Patterson was OK against decent competition. Both sucked in big games, with spright also playing like crap occasionally against mid- and low-level teams
Rudock had a great stretch of 3-4 games
6 scholarship QBs: spright, malzone, gentry, peters, DMac, and now Milton ... None made it. That's disaster
At the expense of "insulting character," or appearing "racist," I'll say the same we said 18mos ago: one of Cade or JJ will transfer in the next 18mos
Keep trying
Rudock's last 5 games at Michigan: 15 touchdowns (1 rushing) and 2 interceptions.
DeleteYep, a fantastic stretch that left MICHIGAN fans hopeful ... but in The Game? Ineffective
DeleteEh, I don't know about ineffective. He was 19/32 for 263 yards, 1 touchdown, and 0 interceptions. That's a decent game.
DeleteThe real killer was Michigan's 25 carries for 57 yards.
I...well I....I agree with... I... Let me try this a different way.
ReplyDeleteRudock wasn't effective against OSU. Like most everybody he wasn't as good when facing top notch competition. Speight, Peters, Milton, McNamara, Denard, etc ran into the same thing so either you like them and rationalize or you don't and you don't.
JR was good against easy competition (Rutgers, Indiana) and bad against high end defenses (Utah, MSU, OSU). Florida didn't care.
The run game wasn't effective because Rudock wasn't scaring anyone. He failed to make plays - with his arm or his legs. Avoiding mistakes is nice but you need to make plays too and Rudock failed to do enough to keep Michigan in that game.
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I didn't say he was effective. I said he wasn't ineffective. It was a mediocre game.
DeleteI don't buy that the running game wasn't effective because of Rudock. The running game wasn't effective because it wasn't effective.
Jake Rudock was #36 in PER in 2015 across the country, and De'Veon Smith was #28 in the Big Ten in yards per carry. But if you want to blame Rudock for the running game, I guess I can't stop you.
Speight & peters comparison I can get behind. Mcnamara is TBD. DRob wasn't a good QB, but was one of the most dynamic & fun athletes the program has ever had
ReplyDeleteMilton belongs in a conversation with jok,sheridan and other players - who may have worked hard & cared a whole lot - but is not good enough for MICHIGAN
It's not a comparison of the players it's a reality of competition - the level of your opponent matters. I'm not going to win a point against Roger Federer but I'll whoop you without breaking a sweat. Football isn't any different when you're talking about Rutgers and Alabama.
DeleteAfter Henne, Denard is the best Michigan QB in the last 20 years. And Henne was never a Heisman candidate or stuck around through a coaching change that didn't suit him. Denard was probably a better college player, and the position he played, believe it or not, was QB.
Milton was better than McCaffrey or Peters. Sent those guys packing and out produced them. We'll see about McNamara. Is he following the Pattern of Hope or does he have more than what he showed in 2020?
troll on.
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Joe Milton PER: 125.5
DeleteDylan McCaffrey PER: 137.8
Joe Milton TD-to-INT: 5/6
Dylan McCaffrey TD-to-INT: 3/0
BTW, the trend continues: Passing quarterbacks win championships in college, not running quarterbacks. You can have the big, gaudy numbers. I'll take the guys who can pass when it counts. Mac Jones was the least athletic QB in the CFP, but he won the championship.
Is this an argument for Milton or McCaffrey? McCaffrey is the guy with the noodle arm and RB brother and Milton is the big gunslinger who threw for for 344 yards against Indiana. I prefer McCaffrey's running ability to a "passing quarterback" in general but I'd rather have a guy who shows up ready to play than a guy who doesn't.
DeleteAs for comparing stats of a starter to a backup I refer to you the 12th Circuit court's rulings in Smith vs Shaw (2009-2011) and Michael Cox's 3.6 ypc (2012) when THE GREAT UNDERUTILIZED ONE finally got his shot.
Plus the reality that when you beat somebody out you are typically better than them. Though injuries and context certainly vary the outcomes lead me to rank QBs thusly:
McNamara > Milton > McCaffrey > Peters > OKorn
McCaffrey never started a game and most of his attempts were in garbage time. Milton started against Minnesota, Wisconsin, MSU, and Indiana. Apples meet oranges.
The trend continues: Alabama wins with QBs who can run, pass, or both.
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RE: "passing quarterbacks"
DeleteMilton threw for 344 yards against an excellent Indiana defense. McCaffrey's career best passing game is 3/8 for 86 yards in a blowout against Nebraska.
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When did Alabama win a national championship with a running QB? Surely you're not talking about Jalen Hurts:
Delete"Tagovailoa entered the game at halftime, replacing a struggling Jalen Hurts, and threw three touchdown passes to give the Crimson Tide its fifth national championship since 2009 under coach Nick Saban."
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap?gameId=400953415
Oh moving the goalposts I see. Well OK sure I'll play. Yes Alabama won a national title with Jalen Hurts starting every game.
DeleteThere was a lot of winning with Hurts beyond that - including when he stepped in for Tua to beat Georgia the year after Tua stepped in to beat Georgia.
Hurts has been criticized here before. He's doing quite well in the NFL though. And "Running" QBs have won 2 of the last 6 MVPs in that league.
Passing rules over football right now. You need a QB who can pass. The run game is tangential but relevant. But if you have a QB who can run it is highly valuable.
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Having a QB who can run doesn't win you championships.
DeleteYes, guys have been MVPs. And they've been in the running for the Heisman or won the Heisman. That's because they put up gaudy numbers.
And yet...the last "running QB" to win a championship of any sort was Cam Newton (in 2010, IIRC) at Auburn. And no, I don't count Alabama when Hurts was benched, because Alabama would have lost that game if not for Tagovailoa coming in for his passing skills.
DRob was a phenomenal athlete. Very few, mostly novice fans consider him a great QB
ReplyDeleteMilton's QB performance sucked. He couldn't get an inch against PennSt, a first down against Rutgers, and got SPANKED by Indiana & Wisconsin. He lost to the worst - if not least talented - sparty team in decades
It's OK to admit it now
Tom Brady is a phenomenal athlete and Denard was a great college QB. This is reality.
DeleteAs we see in current events some people would rather make up lies than acknowledge real life outcomes.
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None of what you said changes Milton's poor QB performance. Worst since JOK, and will be remembered for drilling passes into the chests of unsuspecting defenders
DeleteI wouldn't blame Deveon Smith (10 carries for 23 yards) for OSU 2015 anymore than I'd blame Fitz Toussaint for Iowa in 2011 (16 carries 58 yards). Or the near loss at VT (13 carries for 30 yards). If that's the QB's excuse it's an embarrassingly weak one.
ReplyDeleteRudock is like Denard and vice versa - good success as a passer overall but when the competition got stiff performance fell off. Like most QBs (Speight, McNamara, Peters, Milton too). The biggest difference is in perception. There are several reasons for that IMO but lets try to be objective:
The stats below ignore the running production and just focus on passing outcomes. Denard's passing stats stand up well (as a junior) to Rudock (as a 5th year senior). Both in new systems under first year coaches.
TD/INT: 20 to 9 vs 20 to 15 (edge Rudock)
YPA: 7.8 vs 8.4 (edge Robinson)
PER: 140 vs 142 (edge Rudock)
Denard was a big play guy while Rudock was more reliable but the overall outcomes were similar.
Considering the context (Rudock transfers away after losing his job in year 4, Denard rides out a coaching change at personal sacrifice and doesn't get a 5th year opportunity) and the thousands of rushing yards it's pretty obvious (to most) that Denard was a much better college QB. To argue otherwise requires cherry-picking stats (whataboutist completion percentage) and ignoring that Denard's offenses were much better as a whole because boy could that man run.
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I didn't blame De'Veon Smith personally for the loss against OSU in 2015.
DeleteMy point is that if I told you we passed for 260+ yards against OSU and ran for fewer than 60 yards, which number is less impressive?
You're not going to win many games running for fewer than 60 yards, but you'll win plenty with 260+ passing yards.
P.S. I looked it up:
When Michigan runs for fewer than 60 yards under Jim Harbaugh, the team is 0-6.
When Michigan throws for 260+ yards, the team is 12-6.
How many have they won with 1 passing TD?
DeleteOf course its good to run the ball. Denard helped there and Rudock rarely did, but that's not the point. The point is this excuse is used inconsistently.
Some guys are given the benefit of the doubt and some are not. Denard doesn't get this kind of rationalizing by his many critics.
Part of it is when he was around Rudock was here for 1 good year, perhaps the pinnacle of HOPE. An offseason of warm fuzzies coming off a favorable bowl matchup, low expectations exceeded, etc. That tends to wash over some things. While Denard was also here for a good year with warm fuzzies (2011) he was also around for two terrible ones and ended his career injured and forced over to RB. His time was marred by things out of his control: coaching disaster (on the other side of the ball, offense was top 10) with Rodriguez and the beginning of the Hoke unraveling in 2012. Mgoblog would call this feelingsball.
Another part is that Rudock fits a traditional mold that many prefer.
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Another is that Rudock was a fill-in. He never had to go through the cycle of inflated and unrealistic expectations.
DeleteDenard was a Heisman finalist as a sophomore. So to end his senior year injured and with 5 losses was not leaving on a high note.
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Michigan is 13-7 under Jim Harbaugh when the team throws for exactly 1 touchdown.
DeleteStill better than 0-6.
Michigan is 0-0 when rushing for exactly 60 yards.
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Still trying to lump Milton in with others ... he failed against historically bad sparty team, and RUTGERS ... outplayed by a small, RSFr who isn't exactly oozing with talent (not to mention Rocky Lombardi & Noah Vedral)
ReplyDeleteMcNamara was ranked 268 to Milton's 204 with a superior offer sheet (Alabama, ND, Georgia).
DeleteYou can play the thinly veiled grit over talent card if you want. More telling on yourself.
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Recruiting rankings are projections, so yeah. Offers are thrown out by the 100s, so no certainty in which are serious
DeleteIn other words, none of what you said disputes that mcnamara is 1) small; or 2) not exactly the talent we hope for in a UM QB
Alabama doesn't offer 100s of QBs. But don't worry JE - your feelings are more important than facts.
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Irrelevant. Milton was the worst QB in the B1G for 2020 ... he's JOK/sheridan bad
DeleteWe don't have to agree. But this all started with a no-brainer/Capt Obvious prediction: that one of Mac/Milton would transfer. It happened. On that prediction, the general consensus was that if one transferred, it'd probably be Milton
The reasoning was sound, and played out exactly what many thought of Milton: he's just not very good (to put it nicely)
That it happened proves how reasonable a prediction this was
LOL. Check back on the Milton thread. My prediction (Milton would stick through graduation) bore out. Yours (if Patterson stayed health Milton could bail) did not. I said again and again - there was a lot of uncertainty so calling out individuals as transfer candidates was foolish. Indeed your guy McCaffrey got beaten out and left. Just like your guy Peters before that. I'm sure Morris was your guy too.
DeleteMy HOPE was that McCaffrey would be great, go off to the NFL, replaced by Milton, also great. Hopes aren't worth jack and neither are depth chart projections 2 years out. We didn't know shit and should recognize it -- so specific transfer speculation at kids is stupid.
It was never about the "QBs don't transfer" strawman. It was about calling out a freshman's character for reasons that remain bologna.
And now you want to act like that's not what you're full of. OK.
Take the L like a man.
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I believe the conversation started with my saying that he (or McCaffrey) wouldn't finish his career at Michigan. Aaaaand...that was correct.
DeleteThis is correct. Two signs of Lank losing his mind: moving the target; and double posts (triple & quadruple = meltdown)
DeleteI welcome you to find where I said both would finish their careers at Michigan. Didn't happen. Strawman!
DeleteIn fact, both graduated from Michigan. Counter to the assertion that a transfer was imminent and that Milton was too impatient to wait for his shot.
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No one said you did. Jeez, this conversation would have been over a year ago, if you'd simply stop moving the target, or taking any post differing from yours as an attack
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HOW CAN I RELAX IF U IN MY HEAD RENT FREE!?
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Milton was always a longshot. The lowest rated QB recruited since Harbaugh arrived (below Gentry, Peters, McCaffrey). Despite prototypical traits for a pocket QB he wasn't very highly ranked and the teams that recruited him, including Michigan, did so after missing on their top targets. He was unusually raw and underexperienced by modern standards. His parents weren't sending him to thousand dollar camps. No NFL connections. No academies. Etc.
ReplyDeleteAll this is why some speculated he would have to wait and said so again and again. He needed time and development to be good. No one disagreed.... Ah but it wasn't to be. He was thrust into a starting role after others disappointed and jumped ship. He probably wasn't ready and he certainly was hurt. It was said he was "put in a position to fail" and it went not great.
Now he is an ABSOLUTE FAILURE and entirely terrible as a player. Maybe try the MAC kid. No I don't remember you throwing for 340 yards against a top 15 team or dominating PJ Fleck's Minnesota. You suck. It's obvious to everyone. lol
The unfortunate thing is that our most successful QBs who earn starting jobs (Patterson, Speight, Milton) are torn down repeatedly by our own fans. Frustrated by the team and needing to take it out on students half their age. "Good riddance" always, because the next guy is better ("didn't you see the Rutgers game you fool!"
"are you not even diagnosing the TDs and Interceptions that happen when Michigan is up/down 30 late in the 4th?"). And then the cycle repeats, that guy isn't very good either and will transfer somewhere else for "opportunity" soon enough.
Fortunately, the pattern of descending recruiting at QB finally got broken in 2021. Cross your fingers and Hope for JJ The Great to be the promised one and not another Morris, Peters, or McCaffrey. A lot rides on his shoulders.
I too hope.
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Your first two paragraphs are enough - they explain why it is no surprise Milton was terrible, and most expected him to bounce
DeleteYou're lumping QBs again, even though we obviously agree on the above. Patterson & Rudock were good, but couldn't get it done when it counted most. Speight & peters weren't very good. JOK & Milton were terrible
Where you really lose credibility is that you're on a sports blog - message forums happen to be a place for speculation, predictions, and discussions that often include critique. YOU DO THIS TOO (morris, peters, Drevno, etc) ... losing your mind and complaining about it is an effort in futility
RELAX, and Go Blue
Your lumping is bad and you should feel bad. See my ranking below including best PER year number FOR PERFORMANCE AT MICHIGAN.
DeleteGreat: Robinson 150, Henne 143
Very Good: Patterson 150, Gardner 162
Good: Speight 140, Rudock 142,
OK: Forcier 128, McNamara 134, Milton 125,
Bad: OKorn 102, Threet 105, Peters 114
Awful: Morris 47, Sheridan 81
Notes:
Denard and Henne elevated above Gardner and Patterson based on overall career performance, Denard's rushing ability (not factored in PER), and Henne playing in a less stat-friendly era.
McNamara and Peters numbers are small samples inflated by mostly playing bad teams. We know Peters isn't very good based on what he's doing at Illinois but that's not factored here.
Rudock spending 4 unimpressive years at Iowa also ignored.
The worst QB IMO was Bellomy but he didn't start so not listed. McCaffrey was arguably the best backup to never start a game but since he didn't pass enough he also doesn't chart.
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PER? PER? Who gives a crap, when Milton has the worst TD-INT ratio in recent memory, this leading to the worst W-L record in my lifetime
DeleteLet it go, man
Milton > McCaffrey > Peters really bugs you eh? Never let facts get in the way of feelings JE.
ReplyDeleteI'll just point out that your W-L record argument reinforces this. For you it's not about performance of the player, your QB evaluations are based on your feelings of the team. Which are based on defense as much as offense so when Michigan has a very bad defense (as in 2010 and 2020) you feel bad and so... that QB he sucks.
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I post on one other site. There's quite a few guys here, who are also over at GBMWolverine ... I am no fan of peters (or morris) ...
ReplyDeleteThat does nothing to change Milton getting outplayed by Lombardi & Vedral. You take about mcnamara "doing it against RUTGERS," but that same scarier knight team kicked Milton's @ss ...
It's not feelings, it's the throwing of passes directly into the chest of opposing defenders. It's his inability to read a defense. It's about losing more than he wins. Is everything about the QB position. As a senior, he transferred rather than competing against a small guy with freshman elgibility, and a guy who was in high school last month
Joe gets it. Time for you to give up too
Been in college - a passing Offense - for three years. As long as he doesn't blatantly hit defenders in the chest, I see this as an upgrade in depth
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