Wednesday, January 15, 2025

Anthony Simpson, Wolverine

 

Anthony Simpson

UMass transfer portal wide receiver Anthony Simpson committed to Michigan on Sunday. He has one season of eligibility remaining.

Simpson is a 5'11", 184-pounder. Last season he caught 3 passes for 16 yards while playing in just two games for the Minutemen before an injury ended his season. However, his career-best season was in 2023 when he caught 57 passes for 792 yards and 3 touchdowns.

Simpson was a 3-star, the #2 athlete, and the #5 overall prep school player coming out in 2021 after playing traditional high school ball at Pawling (NY) Bloomfield. He spent his first two years of college at Arizona playing for former Michigan assistant Jedd Fisch, who was the Wildcats head coach from 2021-2023. Simpson made just 8 catches for 102 yards while playing in eighteen games those first two years before transferring to UMass and playing for head coach Don Brown, who had been the defensive coordinator and Simpson's recruiter when Brown was Arizona's defensive coordinator.

Along with his receiving ability, Simpson has 14 carries for 108 yards and 1 touchdown throughout his career. He seems to be a bit of a screen and gadget guy, a little bit like current Michigan receiver Semaj Morgan. (I still think Morgan is capable of more based on his high school film, but Michigan has so far been unable to use him effectively as a downfield or intermediate receiver.) I think it's good to have multiple guys on the roster who have that skill set in order to keep defenses off balance, provide competition, and account for the possibility of injury. But it will be interesting to see how they dole out opportunities.

Michigan has now added two transfer portal receivers: one a quick slot guy in Simpson and the other a 6'5" outside guy in Indiana's Donaven McCulley. Meanwhile, they lost Tyler Morris to Indiana.

67 comments:

  1. So we sort of traded Tyler Morris for Donaven McCulley. Who won the trade?

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    1. That's the whole reason the NCAA is deciding to play the 2025 season!

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  2. Not good enough ... but, "adding size" does not mean replacing with only size
    #quotes
    #iwasright

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    1. #obsessed
      #rent free

      This isn't "adding size"

      #quotes
      #notbuilt4this

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    2. Yes Lank, that's the point
      #iwasright

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    3. Yes. Michigan needed to add size at the WR position, and they did in the form of Donaven McCulley. It never meant loading up on 6'4" receivers and tossing all the 5'11" receivers out with the trash.

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    4. It's almost like you read Coach Moore's quote, word for word
      #misinterpretion
      #misrepresentation
      #lies


      https://michigan.rivals.com/news/everything-sherrone-moore-said-during-his-nsd-press-conference

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    5. What misinterpretation was there exactly? Who said it meant "tossing all the 5'11" receivers out with the trash"? Any quotes or is this a fantasy?

      Here's the quote from Moore:
      "Yeah, I mean that was an emphasis for me. I really wanted to, for us, add size and length."

      He did exactly that. That was his priority.

      Did he add anything else of note to the WR room? Did they add significant playmaking? Did they add a route running artisan? Did they add a big dose of speed? No.

      Michigan replaced an unexceptional small UMass receiver for depth to replace an unexceptional small YSU receiver. Michigan swapped Morris (a solid player with unexceptional size) for McCulley (a solid player with exceptional size).

      Michigan added size in the form of McCulley. --- Just like Moore said!
      They focused on size and not anything else.

      They made a strategic choice. Moore said it. They did it. Not complicated.

      The WR room doesn't look significantly better to me at this stage, but one guy will be taller than the guy we lost!

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    6. "They focused on size and not anything else"

      Do we have to check the stats again? In addition to ADDING size, both WRs have more catches yards & TDs than anyone else in our WR room, including your new Hoosier

      ADDED size, without losing anything else

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    7. @jellllllly

      Dodge!

      "Did he add anything else of note to the WR room?"
      Not answered.

      What did they ADD to the room that they didn't have?
      Size. The end.

      Check the stats? OK!
      Charleston and Morris combined for 24 catches and 270 yards in 2024
      Simpson and McCulley combined for 5 catches and 37 yards in 2024

      Charleston and Morris did it for one of the worst passing offenses in the country (1678 yards) while Simpson (2181) and McCulley (3397) did it for better or at least more productive (not the same thing lol) offenses.

      Let me guess you want to go back to when 3-9 Indiana used McCulley as WR1 before he was benched or when 3-9 UMass used Simpson as their target? Of course you do!

      It's not actually about production is it? All of these guys were hurt or on bad teams or backups on great teams or playing with terrible QBs OR OR OR. Very different contexts so we can't say definitely that 2023 McCulley was better than 2023 Morris or that 2024 Morris was better than 2024 McCulley. Both Michigan and Indiana changed a lot in the 2024 offseason. Production isn't predictive in this case and you just want to deflect. jelly gon jelllllllllly. Have fun!

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      "ADDED size, without losing anything else"
      Some might call this a lie since we lost Tyler Morris (and probably Charleston). 2 in, 2 out. ADDED, and LOST.

      Did they get better? We don't know. But they did ADD some things and they did LOSE some things. We have a HOPE. But that's all it is.

      Back to Morris and what we lost - we lost our WR1 a former 4-star recruit. A guy Cignetti wanted to add in 25 vs a guy Cignetti benched in 24.

      In terms of skills, here is what we lost per our WR position coach:
      "the movement skills, in and out of breaks. His ability to go track a ball, high point it, his ability in the run game. He shows up, he's physical, you can move him around. A pretty smart, cerebral player.""

      via the Mgoblog preview:

      "Routes were a big part of Morris's scouting… ..showed a polish to his game that belied his years … Morris has a keen understanding of the receiver position, from how to get his release from the line of scrimmage to how to find the soft spots in zones to knowing how to set up defensive backs and create separation.and you can see flashes of that in the above clips. He feels zone versus man and instinctively gears down on this dig route to keep the safety at bay:"

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      Maybe McCulley will be able to do the same stuff, so that it isn't a LOSS in the room but maybe he can't and there is a LOSS in the room. The criticism on McCulley, and why he is NOT CLOSE to being an elite WR prospect despite elite WR size is that route running and separation are weaknesses.

      So -- it appears we ADDED size and LOST skill (route running, seperation).

      i.e., a tradeoff exists. priorities matter. If you're a 6'5 guy with great hands 4.2 speed and excel at route running and seperation well then your name might be Randy Moss and you might be a 5 star recruit that Georgia, Alabama, and Ohio State might be throwing millions of dollars at, while Michigan has other priorities.

      So yeah, we probably lost something. We prioritized size and there appear to be tradeoffs for it. A UMASS transfer we added only after trying to get Morris back and a dozen other guys were swing and misses in the portal doesn't change the calculus.

      you lied! now HOLD IT UP

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    8. How did I dodge ... there's an entire debate on this, and you know it
      http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2024/12/donaven-mcculley-wolverine.html
      #links
      #receipts
      #exposed

      Did we add anything else? Uh, just a history of performance that exceeds what we currently have. Not a guarantee of next year's contribution, but those don't exist. Just an indicator of potential:
      Simpson has more career catches, yards & TDs than every WR on our roster
      https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4712328/anthony-simpson
      McCulley has more catches, yards & TDs than all of our Receivers, combined
      https://www.espn.com/college-football/player/_/id/4596347/donaven-mcculley
      #lmaoRecruitingRankings
      #links
      #receipts
      #iwasrightAGAIN
      #jeDub

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    9. Your definition of "a history of performance" is different than mine. 2024 happened.

      Charleston and Morris combined for 24 catches and 270 yards in 2024
      Simpson and McCulley combined for 5 catches and 37 yards in 2024

      More importantly, "a history of performance" doesn't help on the field in 2025. That's not a trait that helps, especially when you are talking about 2 seasons ago. Cade McNamara "history of performance" hasn't helped him one bit. But I guess he has the big ten championship ring to impresses everyone in the East Tenn State locker room LOL.

      So I guess your answer (to the question I asked) is..... nothing. Well I disagree -- we added size. McCulley is tall. Taller than O'Leary and Walker. We already had size but we ADDED size. We'll see how much it helps on the field in 2025 and how much we miss WR skills we lost by trading for size.

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    10. @jellllllllly

      Time for a fact check
      #jellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly
      #Ls=Lies

      "Simpson has more career catches, yards & TDs than every WR on our roster"

      Simpson has 4 career TDs (3 receiving). Semaj has 5 TDs (3 receiving).
      That's over 4 seasons for Simpson, compared to 2 for Semaj.

      You lied and you got caught.

      "McCulley has more catches, yards & TDs than all of our Receivers, combined".

      True for the guys projected to return but not for the guys going out:
      Charleston had 864 yards before coming to Michigan (and added to it in 2024). McCulley has 834 yards.

      Losing more than we gain?

      You can slice it different way but the bottomline is that Michigan isn't really ADDING all that much historical production in the equation where it swaps out Charleston and Morris for Simpson and McCulley unless you look at 2023 instead of 2024. These would be much better takes if 2024 never happened. I assure you, this is not a lie, 2024 did happen.

      But anyway, again, and still the DODGE is that you are talking about "historical performance" instead of skills. When a CB is covering our guys "historical performance" is not a skill they can use to get open, get thrown to, make the play with. You seem to think height is (because of catch radius) and that's fine, but what other skill did they add. Or was it JUST size?

      Same questions posed before:

      Did they add significant playmaking?
      Did they add a route running artisan?
      Did they add a big dose of speed?

      Or is some (or all) of that stuff we LOST in the pursuit of ADDing size.
      #jellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly
      #Ls=Losses

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    11. @Lank 21 Jan at 2:43PM
      I provided links with career stats, as well as an acknowledgement that there is no guarantee ...

      You cherry pick the season both SAT OUT to transfer, only to mislead at a level only liars might attempt ... you demonstrate no interest in good faith discussion




      @Lank 21 Jan at 8PM
      Oh no ... 4TDs v 5? Uh, ya got me? Just kidding. Not even YOU believe that, as evident by the essay that followed

      Catches & Yards still an upgrade with Simpson ... upgrade all around with McCulley ... "True for the guys projected to return but not for the guys going out ... " do you want to count CoJo & Roman stats too? Braylon? David Terrell? No Lank, because they're not on our roster either. Misleading = misinformation ... your nickname is well earned!


      "Did they add significant playmaking? Did they add a route running artisan? Did they add a big dose of speed? Or is some (or all) of that stuff we LOST in the pursuit of ADDing size"
      I've posted the McCulley highlights: YES on playmaking!
      Route running? Speed? Don't know 4o times, but probably in the context of on the field. Both were able to get open, make more catches & gain more yards ... which is something we seriously lacked & looked for in the Portal: production. As with most Portal grabs, coaches are looking for guys who have been developed & have experience; players who have produced at the college level ... in McCulley's case, he's done it in our conference & division, earning end of season honors ... again, an upgrade! All of this was discussed in the McCulley thread I linked earlier, but you cannot help but LIE about #d0dgE

      *you agree on this strategy, and said as much here: Lank 19 Dec at 10:58 AM
      http://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2024/12/brady-norton-wolverine.html

      #reciepts
      #notevenyoubelieveyou
      #jeDub

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    12. @jellllllly

      You're a liar. Neither incoming transfer sat out the season. McCulley got benched then got hurt then decided to transfer.

      You got called out for making statements that are lies and you call that "cherry-picking". Instead of crying about it, try making true statements and you won't get called out for lying.

      "you demonstrate no interest in good faith discussion"
      Every accusation is a confession.


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      "Catches & Yards still an upgrade "
      Still not an upgrade. Not to the skills or capabilities of the team. #deflecting

      Production does not equal an upgrade. Period.
      You insist it does. You are wrong.

      Here's one example:
      Cade McNamara had more production going into Iowa and ended up watching other (better) QBs from the bench the last 2 years (3 counting Michigan). Now he's at East State Tech College of Whatever because that shizz don't matter. The fact that he's a terrible teammate and spoiled brat who can't pass does. Skills matter. Past production doesn't.

      "coaches are looking for guys who have been developed & have experience; players who have produced at the college level .."
      Like CJ Charleston? How'd that work out?

      McCulley and Simpson come in with production that is at the same level as Charleston. Cool! and Irrelevant!

      Charleston's production resulted in him catching one pass as a Wolverine. That shizz don't matter.

      Just like it didn't matter to Cignetti that McCulley had proven production heading into 2024. He got benched anyway.

      Production is not a skill. You can hope it is, but when a couple guys who had 1 productive season over 3 years and it came on a 3-9 team and then it was followed up with a lost year. Well, that production is not so impressive or that encouraging for translating well to a place like Michigan that wants to make the CFB playoff regularly.

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      The NFL drafts people on potential (skills) not production. College coaches are going to think like NFL people and they are going to want guys who CAN play at higher level not necessarily guys who DID play at a lower level.

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      What shizz does matter?

      Can they play? Are they better than Charleston and Morris? Do they bring better skills?

      Despite your continued assertions -- you don't know!





      All we know is they added size in swapping Michigan's WR1 for Indiana's WR4 and swapped one mighty mite from a smaller school that no one expects anything out of for another.

      Like you, I hope it's an upgrade, but it's not obvious it is. I think speed and route-running have been downgraded but I hope I'm wrong. McCulley could get better.

      Better is better. That's what we both hope will happen. But we can acknowledge the tradeoff (size vs other things) that appears to be happening even if we hope there is value ADDed in aggregate.

      Size was emphasized. Size is what they added. Other things (that Morris brings) were lost.

      It's a choice. It's a strategy. It's a tradeoff.

      Hold it up!

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    13. Name-calling & insults ... n0t bUilT f0r tHiS

      You cherry picked a season - ignoring the rest - to suit your narrative. That is misleading. Lying even

      When did they decide to transfer? Did they play again? What's it called when a player voluntarily sits? They sat out Lank

      Did they make more catches? Gain more yards? Did McCulley score more TDs? Does his highlight reel demonstrate more plays made? Was he rewarded with all-Conference honors in the same B1G MICHIGAN competes in? YES Lank. Yes to all. Doesn't matter if this hurts your feelings

      Trying to change the subject to Cade McNamara now? Why not Joe Milton, the guy Harbaugh benched for Cade? Dodging! But I'll entertain it: Iowa took Cade -and even got busted tampering for him - because his production at MICHIGAN projected him as an upgrade for their QB room. But as I say, there are no guarantees

      We're not talking about the NFL Lank ... focus. Two L's, because you DODGE

      "Like you, I hope it's an upgrade ... " stopped reading after that. You're playing both sides, cheering for Indiana and questioning our coaches ... then sliding in your glimmer of hope. GTFO with that


      #notevenyoubelieveyou
      #outsmarted
      #jeDub

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    14. LankHandingJEhisDailyDoesofLsJanuary 23, 2025 at 11:45 AM

      "Cherry picked" LAST season. LOL. You know, the one that is most relevant.

      "Cherry picked" the fact that Morgan has more CAREER TDs than Simpson. A false claim destroyed, even AFTER you moved the goalposts to career production. So a soph has more TDs than senior, but here you are making shit up.

      "Simpson has more career catches, yards & TDs than every WR on our roster"

      #quotes
      #data
      #facts

      Let's check that roster: O'Leary is the only 5th year guy like Simpson - the rest are younger and...playing at Michigan, most of them on a national champ squad.

      SO, even when you try and reframe the conversation around...production. Even when you insist on reframing the conversation around...career.
      Even when you try to compare a senior to sophomores and freshman.
      You STILL get taken out back for the woodshed.

      " just here for the Dubs"
      Another lie. All you do is stack L's. You love the attention because you know you don't deserve it. You'll take any you can get. You're a masochist.

      "there are no guarantees"
      Well here we agree. That's the point! Even you don't believe you. Production is irrelevant...like it was with Charleton (DODGE! LOL).

      You're so desperate you have to make up a fantasy about cheering for Indiana. And you have to pretend like questioning the coaches is unacceptable. Not even you believe you. Hold it up.

      #tooomanyLs
      #IstoppedCounting
      #jelllllllllyDidn't

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    15. YES. You ignore career stats and cherry pick the year both the incoming WRs sat out

      Catches. Yards. TDs (McCulley). Yards after catch and plays made. All upgrades. That's not a reframe, it's the same point I've made repeatedly since the McCulley thread (now on page3)
      And it I didn't end with stats: PFF grade: Simpson's last full season higher than any of our WRs; McCulley much higher
      Both the coaches & media honored McCulley with All-B1G
      MGo has been high on him for two years Upgrade, statistically & based on historic performance

      And what is this "trade-off?" None of our WRs were fast or quick enough to get open. None ran routes well enough to get open enough. If they did happen to get open, balls went through Morris hands, Semaj couldn't bring it in, and on one of two deep balls we took, Moore didn't go up for it (Fresno St). On the occasion the did get a catch, YAC was almost non-existent
      That's not on the QB or OC; PFF agrees ... we added guys who have done this at the college level, with McCulley excelling in the B1G. Busted again Lank, misleading is your way
      *the only other deep ball I remember off the top of my head was at Illinois, and went to Amarion MF Walker ... Morris did get a chance at a contested pass in The Game, but wasn't big enough, strong enough and lacked the DAWG to fight for it

      "Even when you try to compare a senior to sophomores and freshman. You STILL get taken out back for the woodshed"
      Maybe according to your feelings (fantasy?), but not the stats. Not PFF either

      "you love the attention" ... Eh, no but I'll take it because I keep getting easy wins

      "you don't deserve it" ... yet here you are! Not even you believe you
      #obsessed

      "production is irrelevant" ... then why did the coaches go after these two? Why was McCulley first? Not even you believe you
      *if production is irrelevant, why take Keene? His size? Speed? Arm strength?
      #checkmate

      Charleston? Let's see: I doubted him IMMEDIATELY ... you? YOU saw "value"
      #quotes
      https://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2024/05/cj-charleston-wolverine.html
      #reciepts
      #jeDub











      *maybe it's time to bring up Joe Milton again? Another name change?
      #rentfree

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    16. "*if production is irrelevant, why take Keene?"
      First off -- Same reason you took Tuttle and Bowman. Experience. Underwood has talent but lacks experience.
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      "You ignore career stats and cherry pick the year both the incoming WRs sat out"

      Wrong. Pointed out your lie on career stats. Not ignored. Exposed.
      Wrong. Both played in 2024.

      "Both the coaches & media honored McCulley with All-B1G"
      Wrong. "cherry picking" is choosing to focus 2023 instead of 2024.
      2024 is more relevant than 2023, especially considering those were 3-9 teams. McCulley was benched in 2024 (on a good team with a good coach) after putting up stats the year before (on a bad team with a bad coach).

      Production didn't matter in 2024. It won't matter in 2025 either.
      #exposed

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      Michigan's WR1 swapped for Indiana's WR4. To you that's an obvious upgrade. I hope you are right, even if your logic is garbage.

      The tradeoff is Morris. You already know that, you just don't want to acknowledge it because you are desperate to continue the fantasy.

      You don't like Morris or Morgan. I do. Mgoblog does. You prefer the guys who play (or sit the bench for Indiana). Seems like the accusation of being an Indiana fan are another confession.

      HOLD IT UP

      apologies...

      HOLD THEM UP

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    17. Every Joe Milton mention is a victory lap on how wrong you are and how you'll NEVER admit it. Lies to cover for the loss, fool no one tho.

      The guy you said should go to D3 became an NFL starter after succeeding at Tennessee.
      #youwerewrong

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    18. I almost forgot ... the Portal Rankings also rated McCulley as an upgrade! So it's the stats, PFF grades and expert analysis versus ... a desparate feeling someone is clinging to


      You dodged PFF. You dodged on MGo. You dodged on Charleston. You continue to ignore that 2o23 did in fact happen, and it was the last full season to judge our incoming WRs


      What trade-off is Morris? I've asked, but you dodge (except rECrUiTiNg sTaRs) ... the potential was there, but never happened on field for MICHIGAN


      "You don't like Morris or Morgan" ... who said that? Oh, I get it: fantasy time! I was only skeptical of Morris as WR1; he has ONE play in his entire career that's worth mentioning, and #1WRs don't normally get lined up against a LB ... that's for the 'forgetable' skill player. I was high on Semaj potential starting with Indiana in 23, because he showed a physical style ... he just didn't do much else since then
      je93 on 15 Oct 2o23 at 3:57PM:
      https://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2023/10/michigan-52-indiana-7.html?m=1
      #receipts
      #exposed
      #hurryupanddroptopage2



      I was right about Milton ... my analysis from 2o19-23 read like his draft profile in 2o24 ... as you say, the League drafts on potential, which I said would get him drafted and on a roster, while you had doubts (for the same reasons you argued against)
      #jeDub

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    19. I didn't agree with your take but still played your game by your silly rules (career production) and handed you an L. You don't like it so you have to duck and dodge. But you lied and got caught. Sorry about the facts. #exposed

      Morris is a good WR. The best on our team last year. WR1. Cignetti wants him - and seems to know what he is doing. Route running, blocking, etc. is lost, per our coaches. He brought a lot to the table in 2024 (where it didn't matter because QBs inept) but also in 2023 (as a sophomore backup to Wilson/Johnson) on the national champions. Maybe he would have been all big 10 on 3-9 Indiana and maybe not, we'll never know, but he was WR3 on a national champ and has the ring to show it (and some highlight playmaking too). Does not seem like McCulley would have done better than WR3 on the 2023 Michigan team...maybe would have been lower. Nobody knows. Not clear.

      You said we would only ADD (size) but we LOST our WR1 and the skills he brought to the table. #you were wrong

      You have no answer for the depth chart swap -- Indiana's WR4 for Michigan's WR1. A big time Indiana slappy could see that as an obvious and unquestionable upgrade. #everyaccusation

      Others might take a more measured perspective and say "well we got bigger and I hope it works. TBD".

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      On Milton I'll hand you your Ls yet again:

      You were wrong. You said he lacked patience to sit and watch Patterson be healthy. Patterson was and Milton was and he did sit patiently and he started the following year. #case closed

      Then in Tenn he again demonstrated his patience, waiting behind Hooker after YEAR 4 AND into year 5! Because he knew he had a YEAR 6 and he knew Hooker was good! #leadership #patience #character #case closed #you were wrong

      You also said he needed to go to lower level to start back in 2020. He didn't -- he started immediately in game 1 of his Tenn career in 2021, winning the job out of camp, surprisingly, until he got hurt and became Wally Pipp'd by Hooker. Still -- He started in all 3 seasons, won an orange bowl mvp, and led a top 15 team. #wrong again #another case closed

      Pointing out he had a strong arm was the same thing everyone acknowledged since he was 14 years old and on through when he was a raw recruit with middling rankings at 18. SIX YEARS later, you aren't ONLY drafting on potential anymore with a 24 year old - you're drafting a successful SEC starter with a cannon arm (upside). Production AND Potential. Like oh I dunno -- Bo Nix or Hendon Hooker or most everyone else getting drafted on their potential in the NFL. #no different #just less talented

      You argued with this too - talking about how Baily Zapp's path proved you right (big reps and production at lower level reps are superior) because Zappe was ahead of Milton in preseason. Then Zappe was cut and Joe Milton went on to start in his rookie year of the NFL. 1-0. Zappe started too so someone saw his potential too but Joe's path (less reps, better competition) was just as viable as Zappe's path. LOL. #exposed. #destroyed #stack the Ls

      I underestimated Joe Milton at pretty much every turn (from high school - not buying into the over-valuation of arm strength, his potential after Michigan, his potential after Tenn), but I wasn't DEAD WRONG AT EVERY TURN like jelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly

      #not enough Ls to fit


      PS
      I didn't even bring up the INTs and inaccuracy and easy throws discourse. Milton completed 76% at 8.3 YPA and zero INTs in the NFL this year. He had 32 TDs to 5 INTs at Tenn. You were wrong there too.
      #The boy who stacked Ls.

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    20. My rules? Production was wrong? Nope!
      And then the best is you have is subjective "Morris is a good WR. The best on our team last year" and "maybe he would have been all B1G" ... not a single measurable trait, or anything backed by data ...don't care about your feelings Lank, but appreciate another easy Dub, ya Indiana slappy you
      #easyDub


      Haha, yeah ... YEAR 6! Spent all, most & some of FIVE years on the bench, not improving on what I pointed out way back when ... you agreed #garbage, then "underestimated" and predicted he wouldn't get drafted and doubted he'd make the roster ... now you want to lie about stats in an NFL game? When did I ever make such a prediction? Reeeaching ... anything to dodge on Tyler Morris
      #iwasright



      Now you wanna discuss Billy Zappe? Okay, I'll take another Dub:
      Zappe has played in more games, has actually started (whereas you LIED about Milton), and was drafted #137 to Milton's 193. Zappe was also the first rookie in his class to throw a TD pass, fist Superbowl era rookie QB to start 2-o with a 1oo Rating, and has started games in ea of his three years in the league ... maybe all those starter reps in college helped him go from Zero star to FCS to C-USA to NFL ...
      how about a bet that Joe won't match the number starts or games played in? Check back after his third season ... Bet me! We can even do Pass attempts? Bet me!
      #jeknowsthegame
      #betme


      What we have is another Lank essay with no objective disagreement or any evidence against my post on Friday, which I also asked in the McCulley thread. Just feelings, "maybes," excuses and ... Milton v Zappe
      #n0tbUiLtf0rtHiS






      #receipts
      https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34714250/patriots-rookie-qb-bailey-zappe-throws-first-career-touchdown-pass
      #receipts
      https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nfl/new-england-patriots/bailey-zappe-becomes-first-nfl-rookie-qb-ever-to-achieve-this-feat/270363/
      #jeDub

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    21. @jelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly

      "Production was wrong? Nope! And then the best is you have is subjective "Morris is a good WR."

      Who led our WRs in snaps, yards, and TDs in 2024?
      Tyler Morris did.

      Who was the leading returning WR in snaps, yards, and TDs from 2023?
      Tyler Morris was.

      Production matters except when it doesn't fit your lying-ass narrative.

      Not even you believe you.

      #exposed

      You were wrong about Milton so many times for so many years. Almost as many years as he started games in college and in the NFL: 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024 and counting. Milton didn't start in 2019 but you were dead wrong about him then too.

      Hold it up! Add it to the stack.

      Here is a fact for you. The Patriots cut Zappe so they could have Milton.
      #destroyed #case closed

      Want me to pile on? Sure thing lil buddy! Milton in his rookie year outproduced Zappe in the same year. So as of this moment in 2024 these two things are facts: 1. Milton was rostered (while Zappe was cut by the same team). 2. Milton outproduced Zappe on the season when comparing their (apples to apples) single game starts in the last week.

      2-0. Milton's path seems to have worked out better than Zappe's path at this point. Zappe can point to the checks he's cashed in the NFL the last 2 seasons but Milton's currently on a $4M deal while Zappe's on a less than $1M deal.

      But please twist dodge and deflect away from these facts and try to move the goalposts to where you can put Zappe over Milton. It's fun for all of us to see you flail and claim a dub. Not even you believe you of course.
      #Miltonvsjellllly
      #receipts


      Now you want to claim I lied (LOL) but as always it's just a fantasy. Just like you wanting to engage more with Lank on bets I don't care about. You'd "forget" even if you lost, like last time when you forgot to stop posting after you lost a bet with me. No thanks lil fella I'm just not that into you.

      Your thirst for engagement is #desperate.
      Your takes are #garbage.
      #case closed

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    22. "snaps, yards, and TDs"
      Receptions: less than HALF the true #1 option, and just THIRD on the team
      Yards: less than HALF the true #1option
      Longest Reception (playmaking): 4th longest, at a measely 28yds (garbage time v NW)
      TDs: a grand total of ... TWO (lol)
      In other words, not very productive at all. Nothing that substantiates a lost trait or "trade-off"
      #datanotfeelings

      *popquiz: how many games did Tyler Morris miss? How many did he play but not get a catch? Hint: his low PFF score of 59(!) shows a non-impact, non-playmaker who wasn't at all missed
      For context, McCulley had a 76.5PFF in 2o23 and a 69.4 in 2o24; and even Simpson - who no one says is any good - had a 67.8PFF
      #relevantmetrics
      #notfeelings



      You dodged another bet! AH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
      #notevenLankbelievesLank
      #tooEasy
      #jeDub


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    23. AND. "snaps, yards, AND TDs".

      You mean for 2024?
      jellllly---No of course not, that year doesn't count!

      You mean for career?
      jelllllly----Yes of course that's all that matters for pRodUcsITon

      OK! Here some FACTS and STATS that prove you are lying. (e.g., Morgan has 5)
      jellllllllllly----WHA! Let me move the goalposts now that you caught me lying. Let's talk about PFF scores. I got a dub now!

      LOL
      #pathetic

      The only thing being ADDED is the Ls you're racking up.

      Hold it up!
      #desperate4Ls
      #everytime

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    24. If you're admitting that Loveland was the actual #1 WR on the team last year. I agree with you.

      In that case what did we ADD?


      LOL
      #caseclosed

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    25. Three posts in six minutes ... ladies and gentlemen, I got him

      Still dodging Receptions, Yards, Longest plays (#playmaker), and that TWO touchdowns is a laughable bragging point ... your Hoosier boy was not productive; not a playmaker
      #iwasright

      You also dodged on the games missed and games played with Zero production

      We have been including PFF metrics for years, even on this very subject. You, Thunder and I each discuss it here:
      https://touchthebanner.blogspot.com/2024/12/donaven-mcculley-wolverine.html?m=1
      #receipts
      #exposedLIAR



      *you're still dodging the bet! No longer wanna talk Milton, Zappe or any other distractions ... easily manipulated and then defeated
      #dodge









      But the best part is, Lank DOES want to talk PFF! Scroll down to 8:o3PM, and rather than discuss PFF as a performance metric, Lank uses a blogger OPINION to make excuses for poor results ... LMAO, reeled in & hooked. Moving the discussion to the bottom of the thread changes nothing! Obsessed but easily defeated
      #jeDub

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    26. Still counting posts and checking timestamps. #owned #obsessed

      "your Hoosier boy was not productive; not a playmaker"
      Every accusation is a confession.
      #2024facts

      Nobody said PFF was off the table or irrelevant. #fantasy

      Your argument was PRODUCTION. In this conversation. Not PFF. Production. YOUR argument.
      Of course, not even you believe you.


      You dodged, pivoted, deflected, moved the goalposts. Only to take even more Ls.

      Classic Jelly. Enjoy em!

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    27. Your posts quantifiably demonstrate your obsession & lack of confidence in your own 'fantasies'
      #factsnotfeelings


      you're still dodging the bet ... #caseclosed


      He was NOT productive ... not compared to pass catchers on our team, or our rivals. But don't let the data overwhelm you


      You said PFF was "moving the goalposts" ... it's not. It's a performance metric that directly correlates with production; you'll notice swings in per game scores as production & performance improve or fall off. Tyler Morris low score = lack of production. McCulley's high score = all-Conference honors
      #n0tbUiLtf0rtHiS
      #anotherEasyDub

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    28. McCulley wasn't productive in 2024.
      "your Hoosier boy was not productive; not a playmaker"

      PFF is not a production metric. Morgan vs McCulley in 2023 illustrates that.
      Wrong again.
      Wrong always.
      #exposed
      #toosomething


      HOLD IT UP

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    29. PFF & performance have a direct correlation: Tyler Morris had a low grade on the year and in every game, reflecting his poor performance. His highest grade was boosted by garbage time production v NW. But in 2o23, his overall low (61.9) score had two games that earned him a 1oo, Indiana & Alabama, where his production matched

      McCulley's high 2o23 PFF reflects his all-Conference honors (production), while the injury-shortened 2o24 season was significantly lower -- but still higher than any year for Morris
      #welostnothing
      #dodgedanotherbet
      #jeDub











      stilldodgingthemiltonbet
      #shutyouup

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    30. "PFF & performance have a direct correlation:"
      What about production? That's what you were arguing right? Did you forget?

      "It's a performance metric that directly correlates with production"
      Wow. Just need to scroll up a couple posts to remember.

      "McCulley's high 2o23 PFF reflects his all-Conference honors (production)"
      And yet Morgan's was higher and you said Morgan wasn't a playmaker and lacks production.

      Not even you believe you!
      Production and Performance are different things.

      Morgan PERFORMED in 2023 and earned a high PFF grade for it.
      He didn'T PRODUCE much in 2023 because he was just WR4.
      He was a PLAYMAKER that the coaches put out on the field to make plays as a freshman. But he wasn't a great PLAYER yet because he wasn't doing all the small stuff consistently that it takes to do that (blocking, reliably getting open, doing your JOB not just getting on highlights)

      Words matter. Your attempts to conflate things and make logical leaps (what you might call "lies") are bad and you are bad at this as a result.
      #notbuiltforthis

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    31. Welcome back
      #desparate
      #obsessed

      You ignored je93 on 31 Jan at 9:45PM
      "Semaj Morgan had a very limited role in 2o23, which is accounted for in "Snap Counts" whenever SI, M&B, MGo or any of us here discuss PFF ... context matters, but I credit you for your commitment to misleading information"

      *on purpose, so you're probably dodging & lying again
      #jeDub

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    32. Enjoying your fantasy? Imaging that Dub?

      Sorry about the facts -- your statement was directly contradicted. And obliterated.

      Real life hands you yet another curb stomp so close those ears, shut those eyes, and keep the dreams coming. lalalalalalala. LOL

      #HIU

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    33. Lol, Lank on 31 Jan "Even though I won't post (probably, unless I feel like it, like I said before) I can rest assured knowing I'll be here living rent free in jellly's pea"

      That you continue to post, and all you have is "fantasy" - while dodging bets & checkmate points - is telling

      #jeDub

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  3. The 2025 WR room looks a whole lot like the 2024 WR room.

    I bet they'll be a lot more productive though, based on
    a)a competent QB, and
    b)a competent OC.

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    1. At the moment it looks like this:

      Charleston --> Simpson
      Morris --> McCulley

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    2. I guess Charleston could come back but....not sure that's doing much for us on the field given 1 catch on the year, even if he had a significant number of snaps where he was mostly blocking.

      With regard to the slot role and helping out Morgan, I would hope that Imarian Stewart would be stepping up in 2025. Stewart was a 4-star top 50 composite recruit (albeit, just barely) so you'd really like him to start generating some buzz and doing something.

      Perhaps Simpson's addition is writing on the wall to Stewart or perhaps it's motivational for both Stewart and Morgan.

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    3. Lank_lookingtowardsfallJanuary 15, 2025 at 1:06 PM

      Thinking about how the 2025 depth chart sorts out it maybe interesting to consider how 2024 ended. Here are the snap counts against OSU and Alabama.

      Morris: 50, 0
      Oleary: 46, 40
      Bell: 7, 21
      Morgan: 16, 39
      Moore: 3, 46
      Goodwin: 1, 18
      Taylor: 0, 5

      My best guess for top 3 WRs in 2025 at the moment:
      McCulley, Moore, and Morgan

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    4. more namechanges ... an attempt to water down the fact that you do it whenever I tell you to
      #jeownsLank

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    5. Just comical that you think a name change is meaningful.

      #obsessed
      #confession

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    6. Meaningful enough for you to do it ... even on page 2
      #rentfree
      #resolution

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    7. I don't need to hand you your daily L today, you did it yourself.

      Delete
    8. rent free? rent free!

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    9. Rent free is looking for je's post during the day, then coming back five hours later for more
      #inyourhead

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    10. Rent free is counting posts, checking timestamps, worrying about what page the response is on, etc.

      obsessed
      tellllllllling on yourself
      another jelllllllly L
      hold it up

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    11. Replying to someone you claim isn't worth exchanging with is rent free

      Applying your feelings to her while I remain objective is rent free

      I'm just here for the Dubs

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    12. Thanks for affirming how important Lank is to you but we already know.

      #obsessed
      #fantasy

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    13. Dodge!

      Dodge, but can't help replying

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    14. "Dodge, but can't help replying"

      Every accusation is a confession.

      Delete
    15. I'm not the one who said these exchanges aren't worth it. That's YOU ... I'm not the one who needed a new year resolution. That's YOU
      Yeah, eVeRy aCcUsAti0n iS a c0nFeSsi0n
      #obsessed
      #rentfree

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    16. "can't help replying"

      #everytime

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  4. Chip Lindsey is going to install a wishbone offense, and this new kid Simpson is going to play left tackle. Prove me wrong.

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    1. Should be fun. Orji will return (like Amarion Walker) from his las vegas sabbatical to play one of the halfback spots. They'll never know what hit em.

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  5. "https://www.maizenbrew.com/2025/1/28/24353316/michigan-football-wide-receivers-2025-fredrick-moore-semaj-morgan-donaven-mcculley-pff-grades"

    "His overall grade of 55.8 may not stand out, but it should be viewed in the context of Michigan’s limited passing attack last season." This is about Leary but goes for every 2024 WR. INcluding Morris and Morgan.

    Morgan, a proven playmaker, had a better PFF grade than the great hero McCully in 2023. Michigan's O got worse and everyone's grades tanked in 2024. McCulley's offense got better, and he ...... got benched?

    So what did we add? Size. The end.

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  6. Hahahahaha

    you moved the PFF discussion, after dismissing it above
    #exposed

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    1. Even when you try to move the goalposts -- you still fail.

      Pretend it's all ADDition with nothing lost -- fail. Ignore and dodge.

      Ignore traits, skills, limitations to talk Production -- fail. Called out on logic (i.e., Charleston) and then caught lying.

      Move from production stats to PFF grades -- fail again. The "not a playmaker" ranks higher in 2023 (on a national champ) than the guy ADDing "playmaking" (from his time on a 3-9 dog), despite getting benched in 2024.

      No consistency. No logic. Desperate for Lank's attention. Not built for debate. Just a masochist here for the Ls. Another blessed day for jellllllllly.

      Hold em up!

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    2. dodge on moving the PFF discussion
      #iwin


      We ADDED size with McCulley, and production too. YOU have yet to quantify what we lost. Zero trade-off in traits, skills, limitations. Just aimless essays

      We did NOT add size with Simpson, but did add a history of production

      Size was emphasized in Portal recruiting McCulley, but not the sole attribute recruited (see Simpson, Anthony) ... YOU FAIL TO PROVE OTHERWISE


      Tyler Morris PFF in 2o23 was xx.x (look it up). Let's compare. PFF and/or stats, we can do one or both ... back it up Lank, bet me. I bet his PFF was still lower than both incoming WRs. Prove the trade-off Lank: BET ME!
      #getreadytododge

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    3. Morgan had a higher PFF than McCulley in 2023 and more production in 2024. Just like he has more career TDs. Look it up.
      #exposed

      McCulley had a higher PFF than Morris in 2024 but less production (benched and then elected to sit out). So which one matters - production or PFF? Answer -- whichever one you're dodging to to make your point.
      Move those goalposts baby!

      You dodged from production to PFF when you got caught lying. Production was itself a dodge that you are repeating here. Notbuilt4this.

      We didn't ADD production with Simpson, he's just like Charleston. How'd that workout in 2024? Oh it didn't ADD anything and we still lacked playmaking (per.....you)?

      Now one of our top roster needs remains WR (per....you), even after ADDing these 2?
      #notevenYoubelieveYou

      That's your last L in this thread you'll have to go to newer ones from now on. HOLD IT UP (FOR A WHILE)

      Even though I won't post (probably, unless I feel like it, like I said before) I can rest assured knowing I'll be here living rent free in jellly's pea

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    4. Semaj Morgan had a very limited role in 2o23, which is accounted for in "Snap Counts" whenever SI, M&B, MGo or any of us here discuss PFF ... context matters, but I credit you for your commitment to misleading information

      McCulley was injured in 2o24, so omitting that fact is another misleading attempt that falls flat. Indiana's football site doesn't even bother mentioning his injury/RS 2o24
      https://iuhoosiers.com/sports/football/roster/donaven-mcculley/17376

      So the transfer Portal rankings agree that McCulley is an upgrade. The stats back it up. PFF backs it up. The coaches & media who vote for all-Conference honors agree too ...
      Does anything or anyone back Lank? NO. Is Lank still dodging on what we lost in this "trade-off?" YES


      *two things can be true at once Lank:
      WR is still our biggest need AND we added two
      One is a clear upgrade by stats, PFF, coaches & media
      The other by PFF, catches & yards; TD is a whopping ONE less than Semaj, and that's a Rushing touchdown


      You'll reply ... too obsessed not to
      #n0tbUiLtf0rtHiS

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    5. BET ME that McCulley wasn't benched in 2024.

      Was Morris Michigan's WR1?
      Was McCulley Indiana's WR4 (at best)?

      BET ME that Morris didn't outproduce McCulley's stats in 2024.

      If it's so clear you will bet me.

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    6. "clear upgrade" if you ignore production in 2024
      "clear upgrade" if you selectively choose PFF with one player but not another
      "clear upgrade" if you ignore CJ Charleston's production

      Covered above. Morgan PERFORMED and MADE PLAYS but didn't PRODUCE on a national champion as WR4 in 2023. McCulley PERFORMED, MADE PLAYS, and PRODUCED on a 3-9 team in 2023.

      In 2024 the context changed. Michigan offense got way worse. Indiana offense got way better. In 2024 you had McCully neither performing nor producing nor making plays. Instead he was getting benched ("omitting that fact is another misleading attempt that falls flat.") and then getting hurt, and then choosing to leave (a.k.a. quitting) on the team to retain an extra year. In 2024 you had Morgan neither performing nor producing nor playmaking, but neither did any other WR. Everyone around him got worse and the QBs couldn't throw the ball downfield, so production, performance and playmaking were all very limited in that offense.... but he never quit on his team.

      Context changed for both. Context matters.

      It's not clear who the better WR is among this group. It's NOT definitive.
      You can lump Morris into that equation too. It is clear who is the tallest though! That much we know. We ADDED that size

      ....and lost some other stuff that the guy who was ahead of Morgan in 2023 and 2024 (trust the coaches! THOSE coaches!
      on depth chart decisions) and consider that Morgan outperformed (by PFF) McCulley in 2023. So Morris>Morgan>McCulley? clearly?

      The thing about using playing time, PFF grades, performance, production interchangeable to make your argument is that you can reach any conclusion you want. Just used the flawed logic you made up! Even if it's easily disproved as BS.

      And so when you say definitively IT IS THIS WAY and then argue based on that goal-post moving flimsy-ass easily disproved logic, you have put yourself in a position to get cooked.

      #notbuiltforthis
      #holditup
      #happyFebruary!

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    7. HA! He's baaack ... too easy

      me: why do the coaches, media, transfer Portal rankings, data and PFF all show McCulley is an upgrade? Why doesn't anything or anyone agree with Lank???

      Lank: here's a recycled essay from last month that dodges everything you just asked
      #jeDub




      Wow, and still dodging on TWO bets in one thread
      😂😂😂








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    8. Asked and answered:

      "clear upgrade" if you ignore production in 2024
      "clear upgrade" if you selectively choose PFF with one player but not another
      "clear upgrade" if you ignore CJ Charleston's production

      WR is still probably the biggest need (per you) so even if your "upgrade" is clear, it's clearly not enough. Not even you believe you.

      Dodging?
      Every accusation is a confession.

      #HIU

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    9. Who TF is even talking about Charleston? Focus Lank ... who's dodging what?

      You're dodging on coaches & media, dodging on transfer Portal rankings and still can't answer what we 'lost' in this "trade-off." See? I can be specific; you fantasize
      #easyDub

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