TRANSFER PORTAL
Pat Coogan - C - Notre Dame: Coogan is a 6'5", 310-pounder who has spent most of the past two seasons starting for the Fighting Irish. A fifth year senior, he was a starting guard in 2023 and a starting center in 2024, earning grades of 66.1 and 72.1, respectively, from Pro Football Focus. Initially slated to be a backup at center in 2024, he ended up starting most of the year due to an injury to the starter. Coogan was expected to be a backup again in 2025 despite playing over 1,500 snaps in the past two seasons, so he hit the transfer portal for his one remaining season of eligibility. He was a 3-star, the #42 interior offensive lineman, and #613 overall coming out of Chicago (IL) Marist in 2021. UPDATE: Coogan committed to Indiana before visiting Michigan and will not be taking a trip to Ann Arbor.
2025
Chase Herbstreit - QB - Cincinnati (OH) St. Xavier: Herbstreit has already committed to Michigan (LINK) but will take his official visit this weekend.
Hit the jump for more.
2026
C.J. Edwards - DE - Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic: Edwards is a 6'4", 215-pounder with offers from Michigan, Minnesota, Pitt, and Tennessee, among others. At this point he's unranked.
Travis Johnson - WR - Chesapeake (VA) Oscar Smith: Johnson is a 6'3", 165 lb. prospect with offers from Florida, Michigan Penn State, Tennessee, and Texas A&M, among others. He's a 4-star, the #16 wide receiver, and #128 overall. Head coach Sherrone Moore went out on the road and visited Johnson last week.
Jermaine Kinsler - DE - Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic: Kinsler is a 6'7", 260-pounder with offers from Florida, Florida State, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon, Penn State, Tennessee, Texas, and USC, among others. He's a 4-star, the #22 defensive lineman, and #173 overall.
Jordan Thomas - CB - Oradell (NJ) Bergen Catholic: Thomas is a 6'1", 185 lb. prospect with offers from Alabama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Miami, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas, and USC, among others. He's a 4-star, the #18 cornerback, and #257 overall.
2027
Chad Willis - S - Orchard Lake (MI) St. Mary's: Willis is a 6'2", 185-pounder with offers from Indiana, Kentucky, Minnesota, and Purdue, among others.
Coogan had a higher PFF grade than any of our OL last year, so he'd be probably be our best OLmen?
ReplyDeleteLet him pick if he wants to play OC or OG -- Crippen has played both as well.
Sounds like Moore is anticipating some shuffling around regardless.
PS
Seems concerning that a guy who might be our best OL (if we are lucky enough to get him) would only be a backup at ND. OL is the biggest concern on the team IMO and it's not even close.
Agree completely. Think a lot of our offensive problems last year were due to poor Oline play.
DeleteBetween OC, QB, and mediocre OL/TE (by Michigan standards) it's hard to judge the skill position guys.
DeleteLoveland, Mullings, Edwards produced pretty well under the circumstances.
Mullings absolutely. Behind an inconsistent OL, dude created plays that saved us from more losses. That dude was a playmaker
DeleteEdwards had all the upside, but his best play of the year was the TD pass against Sparty. Everything else was pretty much what the OL gave him
Colston is a gem. Matchup nightmare that even bad QBs can take advantage of
The upside was so misused ... we wanted him to be a between the Guards Back, which wasn't sustainable (Boom-Bust) ... just think of what could have been
DeleteWe'll always have College Park in 2o21
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFbFBRMRxk8/?igsh=NzgyYTk0Y2YyNg==
Edwards was underutilized for sure, but he was far from alone. The 2024 offense was filled with underutilized talent because the OC was in over his head and the QB position was a disaster.
DeleteEdwards sacrificed personal glory for team success. I don't think that gets said enough. Had he transferred to a different school to get away from Corum (as Charbonnet did) he could have been a primary back in 2023, gotten 20+ carries a game, plus a lot of passing and he could have put up monster stats.
I think it can be argued that despite great team success in 2023, the offensive philosophy and performance probably was not what it could have been (given elite personnel across the board) because of some limitations in coaching on that side of the ball. It can further be argued that Edwards was the most directly impacted by this even though he was just a backup.
It was sustainable to use Edwards as a primary between the tackles ball carrier. We saw him do it for 3 straight games on the biggest of stages in 2022. Not being as good of a RB as (the great) Corum and not being as physical as Mullings does not mean Edwards was incapable of doing the thing you saw him do very well in 2022 when he was The Man.
DeleteEdwards had 5 games of over 15 carries in his career -- all but one happened in those games in 2022 (3 starts plus PSU). The 5th was 17 carries for 4.8 yards/per with a long of only 9 against Arkansas State (no boom, no bust).
We can lower the bar to 14 carries and we get the following games added in.
1. Indiana 2024. Equivalent production to Mullings. No boom. A lot of bust.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401628541
2. Washington 2024. Outproduced Mullings. Only 1 boom. no bust.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401628505
3. USC 2024. The most boom/bust game of his career? Clearly RB2 to Mullings RB1 on the day despite a big play 41 yarder, 13 for 33 on the rest of the day with a fumble. Boom/Bust.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401628489
4. Nebraska 2023. No boom. Mostly bust.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/recap/_/gameId/401520286
The only thing that proved unsustainable was the "boom/bust" narrative. Sustainable was not having the data to backup the narrative.
"Edwards had 5 games of over 15 carries in his (FOUR YEAR) career -- ALL BUT ONE HAPPENED IN 2o22"
DeleteSo he couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season ... that would be UNsustainable. I mean, just compare to recent starting RBs for Harball/SMASH:
Charbonett (4, in 1½ seasons)
Haskins (13!)
Corum (22!)
Mullings (6, just this year)
Jordan Marshall (1, in his only start)
*others (before Sherrone Moore):
Karan Higdon (14)
Deveon Smith (12 in his two seasons with Harbaugh)
Guess the namechange came too quick this time
#n0tbUiLtf0rrHiS
#whiteflagalready
"So he couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season"
DeleteSeems like a mischaracterization (lie?).
Edwards was sharing duties with Corum and Mullings. When he wasn't (2022) he handled the heavy workload with aplomb. So bad logic bad conclusion -- didn't does not equal couldn't, and since he did handle it (to close 2022) it seems like he could have. But Corum and Edwards were healthy all year, so he didn't need to.
Charbonnet is a good example -- he left because of Corum. All of his games with more carries came in 2019 and NONE came in 2020 when Corum and Evans were both on the roster. So he dipped. Edwards could have done that too, but he chose to stay instead. You know what they say about those who stay....
Context matters.
#HIU
LMAO, dodge!
DeleteBut yeah, context matters:
- Charbonett shared with Haskins in 2o19, and THREE other RBs in the (condensed) 2o2o season
- Haskins shared with Charbonett in 2o19 and THREE other RBs in the (condensed) 2o2o season
- Corum shared with THREE other RBs in the (condensed) 2o2o season and then Haskins & Edwrads in 2o21, Edwards in 2o22, then Edwards AND Mullings in 2o23
- Mullings shared with Edwards all of 2o24. In fact, Edwards opened & often started as RB1
- Marshall shared with Ben Hall (who also passed YOUR 15 carry threshold)
In other words, each of our RB1 has shared carries, and still met YOUR threshold. You have EXCUSES, not context. Good on Edwards for staying. He's a MICHIGAN man we all love & appreciate, but should always wonder "what if"
Yes Jelllllly you are making my point for me. Hold up that L.
DeleteBackups who share with NFL-caliber backs are not likely to get 20+ carries.
Corum, for example, had just 2 games of over 20 carries while Haskins was the primary guy through 2021. It didn't mean he "couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season". He hadn't done it (yet), but he could, and he did, after Haskins left.
Charbonnet had 1 game of over 20 carries in his Michigan career. In the second game at Michigan as a freshman before Haskins emerged and Corum arrived and Evans got unsuspended. It didn't mean he "couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season". He skipped town to avoid being Corum's backup and he did it 13 times at UCLA.
Marshall had 1 carry until Haskins and Edwards got out of the way. It didn't mean he "couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season". We haven't seen him do it for a full season (he's a freshman backup who was RB4 or 5 for most of the season until he EMERGED late), but there's no reason to think he can't going forward.
Edwards spent 3/4 of his career being a backup to Blake Corum. That's enough to explain not having 20 carries very often. When Corum went down he stepped right up and did the job you doubt he can do. When Corum came back, Edwards went back to his role as RB2 where 20+ carries isn't going to happen very often.
Last year 2024 Mullings ascended into a ~50/50 timeshare (383 vs 322 snaps) when and when that happens you don't get to 20 carries very often. Mullings only had 2 games with over 20 plus carries and 1 of them was when Edwards got hurt. Guess what -- It didn't mean he "couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season" either. He didn't do it, but he could.
He didn't do it, but he could <-- goes for every guy mentioned above. Despite your baseless assertions.
Just a few examples of where DIDN'T isn't equivalent to CAN'T. It's just your fantasy. When the context changes the results change.
Context matters. Hold it up.
#notbuilt4it
#lies
#exposed
#2something
Since I can hear the crying and wailing please go ahead and run the numbers at 15 carries if you prefer jelllllly. Another L opportunity for you.
DeleteFor example -- Corum got to 15 carries zero times as a freshman. Didn't mean he couldn't. Then Corum got to 15 carries just 4 times as a sophomore backup. Didn't mean he couldn't. Didn't do it for a full season his first 2 years....but he had it in him. no problemo. We saw that in 22 (until he got hurt) and 23 (second half of the season 8 of 8 games with 15 or more carries after being protected in the first half 3 of 7 first games with 15 or more carries). Hmmmm....maybe Corum is the one who can't handle it for a full season. LOL squishy jellllly logic.
Facts vs Fantasy
Edwards did the job you say he can't do back in 2022. He proved himself. Harbaugh loved him, he was a Harbaugh back. You just don't like reality so you deny it and make up your own narrative.
#exposed
Haha, two posts less than 15 minutes apart ... not even Lank can convince Lank!
Delete#quantifyingLankLs
@Lank 5 Feb at 1138AM
me: proves Lank wrong with HIS OWN THRESHOLD
Lank: moves the threshold to a number that helps his narrative, but now playingtime as a backup is excluded ...
Can't make this up!
Corum met YOUR threshold as a backup (TWICE); Mullings did it sharing snaps (FIVE TIMES). What about Haskins & Ben Hall? Backup RBs who exceeded YOUR thresholds ... Haskins did that TWICE in 2o19
*Marshall & Haskins never played together ... I'm so far in your head you're losing your mind 😂
#n0tbUiLtf0rtHiS
@Lank on 5 Feb at 1151AM
The Coaches used Don differently than the other RB1s ... FACT, not fantasy
We can pretend to know what he "COULD HAVE" done, but DID NOT ... that would be FANTASY not fact
#eVeRyAcCuSaTi0nIsAc0nFesSi0n
Trust the coaches on depth charts & rotations, right?
#checkmate
#notsmartenough
#jeDub
Check the timestamps. Count the posts. #obsessed
DeleteMeanwhile....
Haskins was a starter in 2019.
https://mgoblue.com/sports/football/roster/hassan-haskins/21992
Caught in another lie. No "misrepresentation", just a flat out lie.
Again -- even when you try to move the goalposts to whatever fantasy you are having today, you still fail. #notbuilt4it
The FACTS remain. Harbaugh trusted Edwards to carry the ball 20+ times whenever Corum wasn't available (in 2022). He trusted Edwards more than he trusted Mullings (in 2022 and 2023). But Corum was top dog and took most of the work -- took it from Edwards in 22 and 23 just like he took it from Charbonnet in 20.
Moore not trusted like Harbaugh. Mooreball was a change from Harbaughll in 2024. 1a and 1b with Mullings elevated. No primary back all season long (like we had in 21 and 22). Not because anyone COULDN'T. They didn't.
If you applied consistent logic you'd say Mullings couldn't do it. But you only say that about Edwards. Rerun of the boom/bust logic lies.
#notevenUbelieveU
#exposed
#again
#HIU
Who lied? What goalposts were moved?
Delete#makesh:tup💩
You're dodging on the other RBs too
#outsmarted
Hassan Haskins got his first start the last week of OCTOBER ... in that game, the other RB also met YOUR threshold
So despite the examples YOU dodge and the goalposts YOU move, Edwards is the outlier. Of the RBs sharing significant carries, he was entrusted the least. He's an outlier
I am applying consistent logic. In ONE season as as a lead Back (either RB1 or RB2), Mullings had SIX games beyond YOUR threshold. In that same season, with the same offense and against the same Defenses, Edwards did NOT. He's an outlier as a backup and an outlier as the starter
You don't have to agree, but making false claims does not change these FACTS
#jeDub
Which claims were false? Can you name them? Nah.
DeleteI can. Here you go:
"So he couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season"
#exposed
See the posts above. Guys who CAN handle it DON'T sometimes, because context matters.
KM didn't do it all season either. He did it in 6 out of 12 games only. Why? Because he was sharing a backfield with DE. DE didn't do it because he was sharing a backfield with KM. This is not hard, it's just reality, but some 2somethings need to weave a fantasy fairytale.
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Painting Haskins as a backup is false.
Haskins was a starter in 2019. He had over 15 carries just twice (ND and Alabama). That game against ND was a blowout that had a rare instance of two RBs over 15 carries (ZC and HH). It's informative. It was the FIRST game of HH's career with 15 plus carries and the LAST game where ZC would get over 15 carries in a Michigan Uni.
Despite two seasons together in 2019 and 2020 these two NFL backs never showed they "could handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season". But after they split up in 2021 -- they both did it!
Context matters.
The point here is that ZC was capable of it (very obviously) but he didn't do it at Michigan because he was usurped by HH. DE was capable of it but he didn't do it whenever he was behind BC or sharing workload with KM. He DID do it in 2022 when his competition went poof, just like Jordan Marshall did it in 2024 when his went poof.
This isn't hard. Some heads are.
#jelly2thirsty
YOU want me to tell YOU what I did NOT lie about? Wtf man, you're ruining the spirit & intent of your own resolution. Get help
DeleteNo, Edwards could not and did not handle the Harball/SMASH load for a season ... even Mullings - who shared the role with Don - met YOUR threshold more in ONE season than Edwards did in FOUR. He did this behind the same OL, with the same poor QB/OC and against the same Defenses that Edwards did NOT
So Haskins met YOUR threshold, despite not earning his first career start until the end of October ... and - despite losing the starting role - Charbonett did as well, in the same game
We still have a statistical outlier Lank, whether your feelings accept it or not
"The point here is that ZC was capable of it but he didn't do it at Michigan because he was usurped by HH"
This is so wrong, it's a lie. A funny one, considering Charbonett DID meet your THRESHOLD (more than Edwards), and did it both as a Starter and as a Backup. Edwards is the outlier
With the facts established, we can speculate: Why? Because Edwards never proved to be an up the middle, tackle-breaking physical RB in the mold of Harball or SMASH. Even young Jordan Marshall has flashed it. In the bowl game, 8o of his 1oo rushing yards were AFTER contact. We've seen games like that from every RB I've listed except ... the outlier. Edwards was dynamic, but only if the OL opened big holes (and he didn't trip)
#factcheckme
It's hard for you, because ... feelings? Maaaybe ignorance, but that would be speculation on the not so nice end
and you're STILL dodging on all the other RBs I've listed
#jeDub
Mullings didn't meet the standard for any season. Least of all the Harbaugh seasons where he barely got any run at all relative to Edwards. This tells you who the more Harbaugh back is.
DeleteWithout Corum unavailable (context matters), Edwards got 70 carries in 3 games. Mullings never matched that. Not in 2022, or 2023, or 2024. Mullings career high over 3 games was 56, in early 2024.
If we are talking about a workhorse primary back -- Edwards did more than Mullings.
As always there is no logic or consistency here. Just a fairytale narrative.
Move the goalposts to subjective opinions about style points when the facts get in the way. #jelllllly special
PS
"Charbonett DID meet your THRESHOLD (more than Edwards), and did it both as a Starter and as a Backup"
Charbonnet had 5 games with over 15 carries and 1 game with over 20 at Michigan. Edwards had 7 games with over 15 carries and 3 games with over 20 at Michigan.
Another Jelll-lie!
#exposed
HOLD IT UP!
Thunder is sparing you again LOL. You should say thanks to him Jelllly
DeleteWhat? Mullings met YOUR standard, whether he started or not ... six times! Denying this is a lie
DeleteContext matters? Edwards couldn't do it "because he was a backup," but the others could - including Mullings in the same season with the same offense and against the same Defenses ... that makes Edwards an outlier Lank
"If we are talking about a workhorse primary back -- Edwards did more than Mullings"
all I can respond with is 😂🤣😂🤣
#delulu
I have stats. YOU have the fantasy ... somethin, somethin every accusation is a confession
Charbonett did it in TWO years ... Edwards in FOUR
#contextmatters
Come back with stats, not your feelings
#tooeasy
I honestly don't follow these arguments and the back-and-forth here enough to know what exactly your points are at this point, but Edwards got his carries late in 2022 because Corum was hurt and there was no other viable option. The next man up was C.J. Stokes, who had 55 carries that season and has been toiling away as a backup at Charlotte.
DeleteAlso, Edwards was running behind the country's top offensive line, which opened some big holes for him to run through. It's a whole lot easier to shoulder the load when you're getting hit by safeties 5 yards down the field than it is when you're fending off linebackers 2 yards deep in your own backfield.
Fact check: Mullings's career-high 3-game stretch was 57 carries (24 vs. Minnesota, 14 vs. Washington, 19 vs. Illinois).
Also, Mullings had another capable back (Edwards) available to take the load off him in 2024. The 2022 version of Edwards had no such option. He was forced into carrying the load. There's a difference between "You're running the ball a lot because you're the best guy out of 3 pretty good guys" and "You're running the ball a lot because we ain't got nobody else."
Lank invented a threshold, I abused him with it, he moved the target and is now dodging, projecting, and fantasizing about you working against him on my behalf. Didn't take long for the name change ... sad, really
DeleteBut to your point, the non-Edwards RBs of 2o22 is unfair to bring up, as it suggests that RBs do matter
*trivia for Lank: in 2o23, Edwards had
a) more "Lank threshold games" than "dud games" or
b) more "dud games" than "Lank threshold games"
#checkmate
#outsmarted
#jeDub
@Thunder
Delete"Edwards got his carries late in 2022 because Corum was hurt and there was no other viable option"
That's kinda the point Thunder.
Marshall got his 20+ carries only when Mullings and Edwards opted out. Mullings got 20+ carries only twice in his career and one of those 2 was when Edwards was out with an injury (the other was Minnesota 2024). Haskins and Charbonnet overlapped for 2 years at Michigan (2019 and 2020) and never had 20+ carries except for 2 games - one where Haskins had 20 carries to Charbonnet's 15 (Notre Dame 2019) and the other when Haskins didn't play (Army 2019).
None of those guys showed they could handle "Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season" until the context called for them to do so. Marshall stepped up when he needed to, so did Mullings, so did Edwards, so did Haskins, so did Charbonnet. Context dictates usage. It's not a matter of can't it's a matter of don't need to.
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Fact check on the fact check: Even if it was 57 rather than 56 the point still stands that Mullings never once had a 3 game run like Edwards had to close 2022 with 70 carries.
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"Also, Mullings had another capable back (Edwards) available to take the load off him in 2024. The 2022 version of Edwards had no such option"
Fact Check. The 2022 version of Edwards had Mullings. Harbaugh, as he did in 2021 and 2023, chose Edwards over Mullings and trusted Edwards not Mullings to play a lot of snaps and get a lot of carries. Things changed when Harball was replaced by Mooreball.
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"Edwards was running behind the country's top offensive line"
As was Haskins and Corum. This is immaterial to the point of being able to handle a heavy workload.
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Like Jellllly you are calling out Edwards for things that go for other RBs.
More valid to call out Corum for inability to handle "Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season" since you know -- he got hurt in 2022 attempting to do so, and in 2023 was spared for half a season from trying it.
Was this mostly because he was splitting duties with another excellent RB? - yes. That's the real answer. You don't give a RB a heavy workload unless you feel you need to. 20+ carries is a a bug not a feature.
Context determines usage not ability. You can hand the ball 20 times to any RB but you don't do that if he isn't substantially better than the other guys. In Edwards case he spent most of his career backup up Blake the Great and his senior year splitting carries with Mullings. That's not a problem with Edwards (inability) it's a credit to Edwards (for being a team player). We know he CAN do it because he did in 2022 (when it was needed).
It's a dumb thing to call Edwards out for. Just as it would be a dumb thing to call Mullings out for.
@jellllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllly
Delete"What? Mullings met YOUR standard, whether he started or not ... six times! Denying this is a lie"
6 times out of a 13 game season in 2024 and zero times in any year before that.
"So he couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season"?
Not even you believe you!
Edwards is like anyone else - he'll be asked to handle a heavy workload if he needs to (see 2022) and if he's a backup or splitting time he usually won't (see 2023 and 2024). Same went for Mullings who had his career high in carries in (SHOCKER!) the game where Edwards was hurt (OSU).
You have the emojis. I have the facts.
HOLD IT UP!
@ Lank 12:42 p.m.
DeleteYour arguments fall flat on their face whenever you insist that Kalel Mullings was a viable running back option in 2022 after spending the first 10 or 11 weeks of the season (and his entire career up to that point) at linebacker. I just can't take the discussion seriously beyond that point.
It's like that viral video where an argument on the golf course turns into some 50-year-old bro ripping off his shirt and challenging people to a fight, and the other people are just so weirded out that they just drive away in their golf carts because they realize you can't reason with someone like that.
Is this Lank? We might never know.
Deletehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6XlQSDxH3Q&ab_channel=InsideEdition
Lanks 1242 essay omits the original target that HE chose: 15 ... as for the new target of 2o: why didn't Harbaugh sub to get RB2 carries and keep RB1 fresh? Because RB2 has not developed yet. RB does matter
Delete#checkmate
Yes, context matters. Mullings was a linebacker in 2o22, until the Corum injury. They moved him because RB does matter
#checkmate
You started a debate with a point that id easily used against you. Just not smart enough
#n0tbUiLtf0rtHiS
@Thunder, lank would never do such a thing. Keyboard battles is the only risk he is up to, and fails miserably
@lank1248
Mullins meet YOUR threshold three times more than Edwards. Same season. Same crappy offense. Against the same Defenses
#jeDub
@Jelllllllllllllllllly
DeleteLogic fail. Everytime.
Strike 1 - Harbaugh likes rotate rotating backs. Check Minnesota 2020 when he had 4 healthy RBs -- ALL capable of being primary backs who get 20+ carries -- he gave Haskins 6, Charbonnet 4, Corum 5, and Evans 5. Or the 2023 OSU game when he gave 22 to Corum and 10 to Edwards.
Strike 2 - 15 or 20 or any other number - same conclusions. Edwards was TRUSTED to take on a heavy workload in 2022 but when Corum returned he moved back into RB1 and the Edwards changed for context.
Strike 3 - Mullings wasn't ready in 2022? Funny then that he had an exceptional 78% success rate (Corum was 54%, Edwards 47%) as a RB in 2022. Another case of inconvenient facts. Harbaugh trusted Edwards more than Mullings not only in 2022 but also 2023.
Strike 4 - (you need it) Mullings didn't do it for a full season which is YOUR criticism. Just like boom/bust your Edwards slander goes for others which is why not even you believe you.
Logic, like facts, not your friend.
Well Thunder I see you're reduced to insults. I'll return the favor. This blog has really gone downhill. Hard to tell if Jelllly is just your other account used to troll at this point.
DeleteYou argued with me about the legitimacy of Mullings as a RB in the past. And you know what -- you were right! I credited you for that. Mullings was way better than I thought. Not just a power moose back who can soak up goal line carries at all. Now you just want to pretend like Mullings -- who was the #2 RB against OSU and TCU to close the year -- just didn't exist and wasn't viable.
"The next man up was C.J. Stokes, who had 55 carries that season and has been toiling away as a backup at Charlotte."
LOL. This is just flat out denial of reality.
You ignore the actual next man up -- Mullings! Not only a RB headed to the NFL most likely. Not only a guy who proved his worth over the following 2 seasons. But a guy who had 3 TDs and a 78% success rate (Stokes was 35%) way back in 2022. And here you are claiming that a guy who had zero carries against Purdue and TCU was next man up.
At least the delusion of blaming Mullings fumble (while playing FB) for the TCU loss is one that is just based on dumb logic. This argument is a flat out denial of the facts.
What actually happened? The coaches moved Mullings ahead of Stokes (a capable back and viable option who ran for 5 YPC in 2022) because they saw Mullings was a better option. Stokes didn't even play against TCU.
I expected more out of you Thunder. But at this point I guess that's on me.
Sorry, Lank. Your arguments officially jumped the shark. There's nothing more to say.
DeleteLMAO, the guy who name calls & insults gets butt hurt when a little comes back at him, and then creates a "LankAnon" conspiracy theory that Thunder & I are one ... white flag indeed
Deletetoo easy:
1) YES, Harball likes to rotate Backs. In 2o2o, when he had 4 NFL bound RBs, they rotated HEAVILY among all 4 ... That didn't happen with Edwards in 2o21 or 2o23. It didn't happen in 2o22 when Edwards backups weren't good enough. In 2o24 - with only two NFL bound RBs - Edwards was the starter, but STILL wasn't trusted as much as Mullings. Same season. Same crappy offense. Against the same Defenses
2) Edwards was only trusted when the other options sucked, or - in the case of Mullings - had only returned to the RB room after the BC injury. In ea of his other three seasons - even when he was RB1 - that trust diminished almost completely
3) the inconvenient fact is the LIMITED carries Mullings had in 2o22, and the timing: he was a Linebacker until Corum went down, moved because Stokes & Gash weren't good enough. RB matters
4) Mullings had SIX games where he met or exceeded YOUR threshold. Haskins did it 9x in 2o21. Corum did it 11x in 2o23 and 8x in 2o22. Only Edwards failed to get close to YOUR threshold, because Haskins, Corum & Mullings were simply better fit for Harball/SMASH; Edwards is the outlier
*you're still DODGING on the Trivia Question from 14 Feb at 8:o4AM
@Thunder
Delete" jumped the shark" jumped the shark a decade ago
I get it. You have to resort to quibbling about 56 vs 57 and linking to memes as an attempt to insult when you have nothing of substance to say.
That's on you.
"That didn't happen with Edwards in 2o21 or 2o23. It didn't happen in 2o22 when Edwards backups weren't good enough."
DeleteHaving a hard time with that zero key eh? What a cOmPetit0r! I believe you can win this fight against your notsosmart phone.
Edwards played second fiddle to Corum form 2021 to 2023 and there is no shame in that. He proved he COULD handle a bigger load when called upon. THAT remains the inconvenient fact that you keep dodging. He did the thing!
He didn't do it over a full season....just like Mullings didn't....not because he couldn't but because Michigan didn't want/need them to.
"Edwards was only trusted when the other options sucked"
Just like Marshall. Same as Corum and Mullings according to your take on Edwards.
"Mullings had SIX games "
Yep, in 5 years on the team and in 13 games on the season. He never had a SEASON of being TRUSTED to get a heavy workload.
Mullings ""couldn't handle Harball/SMASH-level RB1 carries for a season ... that would be UNsustainable""
His career high in carries came....you guessed it....when Edwards went down with an injury and no other viable option existed.
UNTIL THE VERY NEXT GAME lol where suddenly Marshall was a viable option. Lank told you he was EMERGING before it happened and you argued.
Marshall could handle 15+ carries. We didn't know until we knew.
Mullings could handle 15+ carries. We didn't know until we knew.
Edwards could handle 15+ carries. We didn't know until we knew.
Corum could handle 15+ carries. We didn't know until we knew.
Haskins could handle 15+ carries. We didn't know until we knew.
Charbonnet could handle 15+ carries. We didn't know until we knew.
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The cycle goes on. Forever.
Just like Jelllllly getting curbstomped in any debate on this blog.
Harbaugh gave the rock 70 times to Edwards in 3 games. Mullings never touched that under Harbaugh....and even when Moore elevated him. He still didn't touch that. another inconvenient fact for the jelllllllly narrative.
HOLD IT UP HIGH for everyone to see
@ Lank 2:57 p.m.
DeleteIt's not that I have nothing to say. It's that arguing with you could be a full-time job. So I'm choosing not to engage.
Name calling & insults when you have nothing of substance to say. The best you can come up with is "we don't know until we know" ... eVeRy aCcUsAti0n iS a c0nfEsSi0n
DeleteMullings met YOUR threshold the first game of the season, the last game of the season, and several times in between ... Mullings was our SMASH running back for 2o24; Edwards was not. His season high was THIRTY-TWO carries, almost twice as many Edwards high in the same season, with the same offense and against the same Defenses ... we have an outlier!
Curb stomp? Uh oh, not t0uGhgUy Lank ... maybe that shirtless video struck a nerve?
Still dodging on your trivia question Lank!
#DUDvTHRESHHOLD
You choose to engage, just with insults and tired memes. That's on you.
DeleteMullings career high in carries came when Edwards was unavailable. Edwards career high in carries came when Mullings was available.
DeleteFirst was with Moore second was with Harbaugh.
Lost on "Harball" so now have to move over to "Smash". typical....can't handle the Ls so its dodge duck deflect and deny. Maybe it should be Jeddddddddy. LOL
Dodge? On what? Deflect? How?
DeleteYou have to make sh:t up because - despite starting 1o games to Mullings 4 - was trusted less. That's not availability, but inferiority
Mullings next highest was 24, against Minnesota. Edwards was healthy and available, but got less than half the touches. We saw this most of the year: coaches really hoped The Don would BOOM, but would turn to Mullings
Seriously, just scroll up. You have yet to make a factual argument against my 31 January and 1 February posts. Just your feelings on the sacrifice Edwards made by sticking around after being misused ... lmao, unless you want to consider the "15 carry" threshold that you turned into 2o (because I CRUSHED you)
Hurts don't it?
#outsmarted
#jeDub
We lost an absolute mauler, an all-American, Team Captain, 3x all-Conference and 2x Joe Moore winner when Zak Zinter went down against ohio ... on the very next play, Corum ripped his longest play of the day. We won, and went on to win the B1G title, Rose Bowl and National Championship without a scheme change or impact on any other position. Maybe OL doesn't matter?
ReplyDeleteNah, our top needs remain at OL, WR & CB
rent freeeeeeeeeeee
DeleteHoosiers win. Someone here will be happy
ReplyDeleteI do not understand why we are losing recruits to Indiana. Especially a lineman. This is Michigan who won two consecutive Joe Moore awards. First we lost our starting WR and got back Indiana's backup WR. Now this. Anyone has insight info on this?
ReplyDeleteCoogan GF is a Hoosier, so this isn't unlike the Carson Beck move to the U
DeleteIn another thread, GM's were discussed, and how college is looking at roster management like an NFL task & role. While that had no impact of the claim on RBs at MICHIGAN, the article made sense: Magee & Moore invested in two OL already, have several on hand, and may not have been top bidders for a one year rental in high Demand. I wouldn't count on Spindler for this reason either, and he's a local talent
As for WR, we swapped an unaccomplished guy we've had 4yrs to try & develop for an all-Conference WR with much better tape ... that too makes sense from a roster management standpoint
Of course the girlfriend factor.
DeleteI do not know how good the two portal OL we have but I would rather have Spindler or Coogan. They have played at the highest level of college football.
So... this is the big issue for me. We supposedly spent alot of money on Bryce Underwood. This is OK if we have Lincoln Riley as a coach. We have Moore. We like to "SMASH" people. We beat people on the line of scrimmage. Why are we not prioritizing our resources on OL? Are we changing our identity? It is one thing to lose a portal recruit to Bama/Ohio/Georgia. It is another thing to lose a portal recruit to Nebraska/Indiana.
DeleteI'd rather have the Notre Dame Guards too. But when the coaches took Norton & Hattar, neither ND guy was an option ... 'in the hand v in the bush' type thing
DeleteI think we're prioritizing the OL just fine: Babaloa is among the top recruits in the nation, and we'll know today if Ty Haywood is coming ... that's two five star Tackles in one class
@ FT 11:38 p.m.
DeleteWell, if we're following the 2023 blueprint, Michigan won with a homegrown, veteran offensive line that had a lot of time to develop cohesion and a 5-star quarterback. It seems like it takes these transfer offensive linemen about half a season to assimilate, like Josh Priebe and Myles Hinton and La'Darius Henderson. None of them were playing their best football when they first arrived, even with starting experience elsewhere.
You can't win championships with crappy OL play or crappy QB play. So Michigan needs both. Ohio State won because they got good performances all over the place, including the offensive line that seemed a little suspect late in the regular season. Notre Dame had poor WR production in 2024 (Jaden Greathouse ended up leading the team in receiving, but he didn't have more than 66 yards in any game until he had 105 and 128 in the final two playoff games) and they almost won the national championship.
I don't think winning a natty in 2025 is realistic. Realistically, Michigan is probably looking at something like a 9- or 10-win regular season. The coaches are more realistically probably looking at 2026 and 2027 as potential championship teams when Babalola, Underwood, Haywood (possibly), etc. are sophomores or juniors.
@ je93 8:26 a.m.
DeleteThis is the problem with the neverending free agency in college football. You never know who's going to enter the portal after the CFP. All pro sports have a defined free agency period, and the only time that can get usurped is if a player gets cut/waived by his team. Then it's open season for that player.
We don't know why Coogan chose Indiana but there's a bunch of example of us losing portal battles to "lesser" programs. It could be any number of things.
Delete1. Their offense was better. Cignetti and Shannahan (OC) seems to know what they are doing. Moore and Campbell did not. We are encouraged by Lindsay it's not like he's a bigtime prestige hire. Coogan might have just seen a better offense and preferred that.
2. Money. Indiana may simply have offered more. Yes we are a richer school but Big Ten TV money is Big Ten TV money. Also we spent a lot of our financial ammo on a freshman QB, a couple DTs from down south, and a veteran RB. The reality is that while Michigan may have a bigger budget than most they still have a budget, and can't outspend in every situation.
3. Opportunity. Michigan has a muddled depth chart that on paper returns 2 starters on the interior OL (Crippen and El Hadi) plus they've brought in a couple transfers so Indiana may have told the guy who just had to fight for his job at ND that he was guaranteed a starting spot and painted Michigan as an uncertain situation.
4. Other. These are young men who may go off whatever criteria they have going on in life. It could be academics, family, friends, or just more general "vibes". Recruiting is still recruiting ultimately.
@FT
Delete"Why are we not prioritizing our resources on OL?"
This is my question as well. Clearly, we are looking elsewhere.
"Are we changing our identity?"
Yes. Harbaugh is not here so OL/TE are not being emphasized the same way.
" It is one thing to lose a portal recruit to Bama/Ohio/Georgia. It is another thing to lose a portal recruit to Nebraska/Indiana."
Not really. We just took 2 guys from Alabama by paying for them so they are probably asking/saying the same things --- "I get losing a guy to FSU, TAMU, or Georgia....but these northern schools?!?".
Money talks and the NFL does not care if you came from Georgia or Georgia State.
"It seems like it takes these transfer offensive linemen about half a season to assimilate, like Josh Priebe and Myles Hinton and La'Darius Henderson. None of them were playing their best football when they first arrived, even with starting experience elsewhere."
DeleteI don't really agree with this take. Nugent, Priebe, and Oluwatimi all plugged in and were immediately good to excellent. Not many guys are as good at the beginning of the year as at the end, but these proven vets were solid from the outset. It takes "homegrown" guys time to settle in too.
Remember that Henderson was switching positions and Hinton was a backup on a loaded OL. Hinton was also kind of inconsistent throughout his career going back to Stanford days.
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I have always had an AND instead of an OR on this statement:
"You can't win championships with crappy OL play or crappy QB play"
You can get buy with one or the other (as we did in 2021) if you have a strong defense, but both is death (as we saw in 2024) regardless.
@Thunder Following the 2023 blueprint of relying on homegrown veteran offensive line is fine if you have recruited the right players. Thus far, the 2021/22/23 OL recruits have been disappointing. I cannot see a Big Ten All Conference player among any of the 2021-2023 OL recruits (or even Second Team All Conference). You cannot blindly follow the old blueprint when the circumstances change.
DeleteWe all live in a world where resources are limited. I do not know the NIL value of Coogan and Spindler. But I would rather have the 2 ND OL, the Rice OT (that went to Ohio State) and the decommited QB recruits instead of Underwood. Afterall we won the Big Ten with Cade at QB, playing smash football. I am not saying that we have to win a Natty every year or we have to make the playoff every year. I am just saying we need a better GM who is capable of putting the best team on the field given the limited resources. The 2024 debacle should not be repeated.
I'm with Thunder on Preibe & incoming OL
DeletePriebe UFR & Comment:
Fresno -1 (Not a lot of oomph)
Texas -2.5 (Here we go)
ArkSt +4 (iffy start but recovered well)
SC +3 (Consistent, not a thumper, but not a Mouton)
Minnesota +2.5 (-2 on a missed stunt pickup late, otherwise his steady self)
Illinois +4.5 (Steady. Pretty good)
sparty -3 (Lot of ID/get to LB issues)
PFF was similar, with RunBlock grade peaking at Washington, and leveling late, except Indiana & Bama (Pass Block was great in the Bowl)
@je93 Ideally we rely on inhouse recruits rather than portal transfers for the OL. But what do we do when we have not recruited well on OL for the past 3 years? At least with transfer portals, we get to see the light at the end of the season.
DeleteI just don't think sitting on our hands in Dec/Jan and HOPING to get an OL in Feb is a good move or viable strategy
DeleteI generally agree with FT. I'll just add that the "in house" vs "portal" is more of a continuum than a black and white thing. In the case of Hausmann, who spent a few months interning at Nebraska before coming to Michigan for the next 3 or 4 years. Some guys are one year plug and play but others are more like developmental prospects you hope can contribute in future years (i.e., just like a "in house" recruit from high school). The kid from Cal Poly sounds like he's on the "prospect" end of the continuum.
DeleteJelllly raises an interesting issue about portal strategy. In my view, keeping some of your player-acquisition budget in reserves for March/April (second portal window for non-grad transfers) is wise. As we saw last year more guys are going to shake loose after spring camps. And even if they don't, it's open season on tampering, so Michigan can (and should) still be throwing it's money around to recruit over a starting caliber OT from say the MAC for example.
Delete*Nebraska has elected to cancel their spring game even though it generates revenue because they don't want their players getting scouted and poaching. Fascinating times!
Name-calling. I've been too dominant in exchanges
DeleteAnyway, as expected ty haywood is BLUE
Moore & Magee priorities are clear: SMASH
booooo hooooo
Deleteyou've been TOO _something_ alright
#rentfree
#2something
That's all you got? New Year resolution was all about "je isn't worth it," yet here you are ... typing "Boo Hoo" and fantasizing about "crying & whailing"
DeleteAre you about to snap? Because I can lay off if this is too much
every accusation...is a confession
DeleteSorry the "name calling" and "insults" upset you. Hope February is treating you better!
You're incapable of upsetting me ... I'm winning
Delete#easyDubs
Not even you believe you
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