FORMER PLAYERS
LB Jordan Anthony (Troy): Anthony made 2 tackles in a 21-13 loss to Liberty.
RB Zach Charbonnet (UCLA): UCLA had a bye.
WR Kekoa Crawford (Cal): Crawford made 1 catch for 49 yards in a 34-32 loss to TCU.
Hit the jump for more.
P Will Hart (San Jose State): San Jose State had a bye.
QB Ren Hefley (Presbyterian): Hefley, following a 10-touchdown explosion in week one, completed 22/35 passes for 4 touchdowns and 2 interceptions in a 68-3 win over Fort Lauderdale.
WR Giles Jackson (Washington): Jackson made 3 catches for 49 yards, ran 3 times for 9 yards, and returned 1 kickoff for 11 yards in his return to Michigan, a 31-10 loss.
S Jaylen Kelly-Powell (Akron): Kelly-Powell made 5 tackles in a 45-24 loss to Temple.
DE Aaron Lewis (Rutgers): Lewis made 1 tackle in a 17-7 win over Syracuse.
QB Dylan McCaffrey (Northern Colorado): McCaffrey completed 9/16 passes for 63 yards and ran 2 times for 8 yards before leaving the game with an upper body injury that put him in a sling. Northern Colorado still beat Houston Baptist by a score of 45-13.
QB Joe Milton (Tennessee): Milton completed 7/12 passes for 50 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions, while also running 5 times for 54 yards. He left with an injury in a 41-34 loss to Pitt.
LB William Mohan (Tennessee): Mohan made 1 tackle in a 41-34 loss to Pitt.
S Hunter Reynolds (Utah State): Reynolds made 9 tackles and 0.5 tackles for loss in a 48-24 win over North Dakota.
RB O'Maury Samuels (New Mexico State): Samuels had 5 carries for 26 yards and 1 catch for 7 yards in a 34-25 loss to New Mexico.
LB Drew Singleton (Rutgers): Singleton made 1 tackle in a 17-7 win over Syracuse.
RB Christian Turner (Wake Forest): Turner ran 9 times for 27 yards and 2 touchdowns, adding on 1 catch for 6 yards, in a 41-16 win over Norfolk State.
DE Luiji Vilain (Wake Forest): Vilain made 3 tackles, 1.5 tackles for loss, and 1.5 sacks in a 41-16 win over Norfolk State.
RB Kareem Walker (South Alabama): Walker had 12 carries for 32 yards and 1 touchdown, plus 1 catch for -6 yards, in a 22-19 win over Bowling Green.
RB Tru Wilson (Northern Colorado): Wilson ran 2 times for 2 yards and caught 4 passes for 24 yards in a 45-13 win over Houston Baptist.
S J'Marick Woods (Duke): Woods made 8 tackles in a 45-17 win over North Carolina A&T.
FORMER COMMITS
RB Tim Baldwin, Jr. (Indiana): Baldwin had 8 carries for 25 yards in a 56-14 win over Idaho.
CB Te'Cory Couch (Miami): Couch made 4 tackles in a 25-23 win over Appalachian State.
C Emil Ekiyor, Jr. (Alabama): Ekiyor is Alabama's starting center.
RB Eric Gray (Oklahoma): Gray ran 9 times for 74 yards and caught 1 pass for a 20-yard touchdown in a 76-0 win over Western Carolina.
OLB Stephen Herron, Jr. (Stanford): Herron made 1 tackle in a 42-13 win over USC.
C Jalil Irvin (Auburn): Irvin is a backup lineman for Auburn.
LB Branden Jennings (Maryland): Jennings made 4 tackles and 1 tackle for loss in a 62-0 win over Howard.
S Otis Reese (Ole Miss): Reese made 3 tackles and 1 tackle for loss in a 54-17 win over Austin Peay.
S Antwaine Richardson (Kent State): Richardson did not play in a 60-10 win over VMI.
OT Erik Swenson (Oklahoma): Swenson is Oklahoma's starting left tackle.
TE Leonard Taylor (Cincinnati): Taylor made 1 catch for 4 yards in a 42-7 win over Murray State.
WR Xavier Worthy (Texas): Worthy made 2 catches for 41 yards in a 40-21 loss to Arkansas.
FORMER COACHES
Don Brown (Defensive Coordinator, Arizona): Brown's defense gave up 31 points in a 38-14 loss to San Diego State. (The other SDSU touchdown came on a punt return.) Arizona is #105 in scoring defense and #93 in total defense.
D.J. Durkin (Defensive Coordinator, Ole Miss): Durkin's squad is #76 in total defense and #55 in scoring defense after a 54-17 win over Austin Peay.
Jedd Fisch (Head Coach, Arizona): Fisch is 0-2 as Arizona's head coach after a 38-14 loss to San Diego State.
Brady Hoke (Head Coach, San Diego State): Hoke got his second straight win, beating Arizona by a score of 38-14.
Scot Loeffler (Head Coach, Bowling Green State): Loeffler is now 0-2 after a 22-19 loss. The last time BGSU won a game was on November 2, 2019.
Rich Rodriguez (Offensive Coordinator, Louisiana-Monroe): ULM had a bye.
Regarding Joe Milton ... there's been chatter that his choosing Tennessee was a mistake; that it is too high-profile a program and thus puts too much pressure on him; and that he would have been better served choosing a MAC or equivalent school to hone his QB skills. Any thoughts on that?
ReplyDeleteHe's a huge arm with even bigger accuracy issues. His problem isn't his choice of conference, but rather his choice of position. If he can catch, he's a tight end.
DeleteIf he can't catch, maybe he's a relief pitcher.
His arm strength is tantalizing, but he is maybe the single best example of all time for the importance of accuracy to the QB position
And as of Saturday past Milton will be forever known as the only guy that can over throw the Taliban.
I am sure he's accurate in practice, otherwise he wouldn't have secured the starting role at both Michigan and Tennessee. I watched the video of his overthrown against Pitt, and some were when he was not under pressure. So he's got a problem with game pressure messing with his mind and body. That may not be fixable. Or it may be under the right game conditions.
DeleteAt this point it's almost certain he won't be a QB of any one in college or the pros. So he should, as you note, consider a position change. He won't, but he should.
It's been said about Joe Milton from the get go, while he was still in high school, that he should go to a smaller program that is near his home town, like Florida Atlantic. But Pep Hamilton brought him into the P5. And Josh Heupel who wanted him at Central Florida, which would have been another good school for Milton, thought Milton could make it in the SEC.
DeleteI think Joe Milton lacks guidance in his life. I don't know if Joe Milton's dad is in his life or not. But looking at the characteristics of his life, I could probably bet he was raised by a single parent, his mom.
@Roanman 7:04, Milton is no TE. TEs take & deliver contact, and Milton is contact averse. I still think FCS was his best route. That level of physical talent requires tons of reps & confidence building. Sharing fall camp with 3 other QBs, then having to wait til week 1 for starter's reps hurt him; he needs better
DeleteI know some think M fans were hard on him, but this is UT after two disastrous outings:
https://247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-Vols-football-quarterback-Joe-Milton-could-get-coaches-fired-Hendon-Hooker-170807408/
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/joe-milton-iiis-overthrows-drive-tennessee-fans-crazy-on-social-media/
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/tennessee-football/disappointing-ending-aside-josh-heupel-has-start-hendon-hooker-2021/
https://saturdaytradition.com/michigan-football/social-media-relentless-after-joe-miltons-awful-start-for-tennessee/
You don't know Milton is contact averse, he's playing QB at Michigan where he's coached up not to get hit. And rightly so.
DeleteSeemingly he's smart enough to take that coaching to heart, unlike some of the boneheads we've had around here lately.
I'm talking to you specifically Cade McNamara!!!!!
What do people think of the fact that despite his accuracy issues he has a higher completion percentage 56% than Brandon Peters 54% or Dylan McCaffrey 55%?
DeleteI haven't heard anyone talking about those guys changing positions and McCaffrey is a better runner (not to mention son of a WR and brother to a RB).
Joe Milton is not a very accurate passer and his ability to read defenses is in question. Worth noting though that he attempts a lot of downfield throws (lower accuracy for anyone as we saw most acutely with Patterson) so his production on a per play basis is pretty solid. Check yards per attempt. That would probably be OK if it wasn't for the interception rate.
Milton is only a sophomore eligibility wise as he still has at least 2 more years left. IRL he's a senior but nobody cared about IRL when Brandon Peters was "just a freshman" or cares that Dylan McCaffrey is starting his first game in his 5th year. I digress.
That arm is going to keep him getting opportunities, so I don't think it's over for Joe Milton.
JE really hates Milton. Now the guy with 70 career carries who played with a busted thumb behind a patchwork OL is contact averse. lol
DeleteI'll say this, I agree with JE he's not a TE. There's zero zip zilch indication that he can play TE. He has a cannon of an arm and that's really it as far as having a ticket to the NFL.
Could FCS be a better path? Perhaps. Doesn't seem to be going that well for McCaffrey so far. And if you think he's overthrowing wide open guys - wouldn't that be a problem there just as much? The argument doesn't even make sense, it's just hating.
If Milton is really as awful a QB as argued above he has no hope that the FCS is going to solve. So he gets to be a starting QB at Michigan and Tennessee and graduate from 2 very good schools, which is a pretty cool thing that most people don't get to do. Doing the same thing at Fresno State or whatever - not as cool.
DeleteI don't know if Milton is going to be an NFL QB or not but if you've ruled that out for him because of his lack of ability, I don't know why you'd look at him any differently than Alex Malzone or Shane Morris.
Malzone was/is a pretty little guy for D1 football, had an ok arm, by all reports was a good leader. But he wasn't a Big Qb.
DeleteAs reported ad nauseam, Shane was/is just a great kid, huge arm, so much so that could he have hit the broadside of a barn, he would have collapsed it. He was also a camp warrior and went to camp after camp in search of elite 11 status. Got real good at camps. Had a huge comeback game as a Sophomore in high school and then was pretty solid at an historically tough program filled with guys that could play. As we all saw, unfortunately, also not a Big Qb.
My opinion is that Milton would have had a nice college career with RR. He's dangerous running out of the pocket and could have been a dangerous passer in the same way Denard was. He's throw the fear of God into safeties when he looked to run and in so doing would create beau coup room for uncovered receivers to run under airballs maybe 4-5 times a game. Unfortunately, also not a Big Qb, or SEC QB either for that matter.
Should have learned to catch it, or a curve ball and a change, maybe the split finger pitch.
He throws
DeleteSigh!!!
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LANK @ 10:05 -- "The argument doesn't even make sense, it's just hating."
DeleteIt does make some sense, and it's not hating at all. There's a disconnect between his winning the starting role at two D1 schools, and his play once in game action. That says he's capable of making the passes in practice, but in the game something changes. That's not a physical issue, it's a mental issue.
In an FCS role he'd have to things going for him: (1) lack of a big stage and a bright spotlight; and (2) the defenses he'd have to face would be less fast and capable. It's true his receivers would also not be elite, in general, but the combination of (1) and (2) would give him a platform to work on the mental part of the game, provided he had a good coach who broke him of the desire to throw as hard as he can.
It's not a guaranteed path to success. It could be Milton simply can't process game action properly, and never will. As others have said, the landscape is littered with big-armed QBs who do not pan out. But I think it's perfectly reasonable to think that the FCS route might have given him what he needed to develop his other skills so they start to better utilize his arm.
Roanman @ 10:45 -- your description of Milton under an RR-like coach reminds me a bit of Cardale Jones at OSU. Big arm, and a beast when he pulled it and ran. Also, a bit like Tim Tebow at Florida.
Delete@JE
DeleteYou argue Milton was bad in HS and every other level, implying that the accuracy issues are innate and independent of context. This is inconsistent with your suggestion that FCS will help.
You also argue the big stage and bright lights are an issue, as he is a good player in practice but not games. Is the solution to run away from the big stage or would jumping to FCS just be avoiding the problem?
The arguments don't make sense, even if the solution did.
I'll just add that it's a dubious assertion about the spotlight. Milton has handled failure under the spotlight with composure and resolve. I really don't think the stage is the problem here. He needs to develop better skills reading the defense and a sense for when to take something off. What will help with that most is comfort and consistency. If he was riding pine it might make sense to go somewhere that you can get more reps but he's not. He keeps beating out these other guys who are supposedly pretty good and getting QB1 snaps at high prestige programs.
My advice for Milton would be patience and continued resilience. Don't ever check Twitter or the message boards just do you. Oh and go get that grad degree. Don't short school because the NFL is far from guaranteed.
Shane Morris had a cannon arm. No one told him to go play baseball or scurry off to the MAC. He found his way there eventually for whatever it was worth but I think he would view himself as a Wolverine QB first and foremost. And he should be rightfully proud of what he accomplished and where he graduated from, even if he wasn't the NFL player some expected out of high school.
DeleteMilton isn't an especially good runner. His size makes him an intriguing Tebow type but he doesn't have great speed.
DeleteHe's good enough that a lot of offenses could utilize him but I very much doubt he would have been recruited by Rodriguez or successful in his system that emphasized quick decisions and burst.
Now McCaffrey --- he could have done work for 2000s era Rich Rod.
@Roanman 0941:
DeleteI say averse to contact because I watch him play. It's more than YPC (as Lank has argued for years). WATCH him slow down, studder step, and even curl up. It didn't stop when he got to Knoxville, as I watched both games
@Lank 0958:
It's not about completion percentage (which is lower, not higher). It's that his passes are 'holy crap, WTF' inaccurate, especially if pressured, and sometimes even without pressure. Again, WATCH the game. I sent you Every Snap videos, so you can see why there are articles written about how he's likely to get his coaches fired if they stick with him. That's not hate, but observation
I don't know if FCS would work out. But if he were mine to advise, I'd say the NFL finds talent, regardless of where you play. A slower game in a smaller venue might be his ticket to fixing the headscratching bad throws. We've seen some dimes he's delivered, and reports are that he is on point in practice, so it is possible. Just doesn't look likely where he is now, and facing defenses like Florida, UGa, Bama, etc (let alone Pitt & Bowling F'g Green)
@Lank 3:53
DeleteI'll try again: I don't know that FCS is key. But more reps, more experience and more success can only help someone struggling with the intangibles
When did he handle failure well? After sparty, he capitulated, and then transferred. After a decent opening drive (throwing screens) against Bowling Green, he is completing less than 40% (and ugly at that), and has two turnovers. If Hooker takes over this week or during SEC play, you think he sticks around? Huepel will be recruiting "his" QB; Milton's days are numbered, unless he pulls a miraculous turnaround (which we should all hope for)
@JE. Your reaction to facts via stats is to say watch the game but they are not mutually exclusive. I have watched plenty of Milton, including at Tenn. I am noting the same limitations you are in his ability. What's different in how it is framed and what the response is.
DeleteYou refused to note when Milton passed people at Michigan or times when he has played well (e.g., Minnesota).
You insisted he would transfer to a lower program or ride the bench because because he was so awful. He went to the SEC and won a starting job.
You disagree with basic with facts (like completion percentage noted above).
You deride his character repeatedly over multiple years speculating that he is too impatient to make it through his sophomore year at Michigan, averse to contact, and struggles under the spotlight (even though he has sought it out).
You didn't do any of this for the previous QBs even though you admit you don't think they were very good either. Milton has a special tier of criticism from you.
Maybe we can just agree that the observations are exceedingly negative and out of line with similarly performing college QBs.
@JE
DeleteMilton doesn't lack for reps. He went from starting at Michigan to starting at Tennesse. He can benefit from more experience and development but you've utterly failed to explain why he would get more of that at FCS level.
It also makes no sense that a "slower game" would help prepare him for the NFL. If anything, the NFL is going to be more impressed by some elite throws against Bama DBs than they are repeating the Minnesota game 10 times. The NFL drafts on potential not production.
Milton was not put in a position to succeed (per people in/around the program) at Michigan and he was widely and unfairly IMO criticized by fans. He never complained about either situation once. He was never once treated as the next golden boy by fans but saw literally every other single QB he competed against while at Michigan (Patterson, Peters, McCaffrey, McNamara) treated that way. He has not backed down from competing against older players and only transferred after he was passed over. Players, universally as far as I can tell, respect him. He graduated early and got his Michigan degree.
Milton has never complained or made excuses for anything. That to me speaks highly of his character and his ability to handle failure. I thought Peters and Morris handled it well also, though they faced about 10% of the negativity.
@Lank 4:15
DeleteNot only did I use ESPN stats to prove you wrong, I ALSO encouraged you to watch, because - as bad as the stats are - watching you see even more issues (like overlooking open Receivers, taking a sack & fumble with plenty of time in the pocket, etc ... I use stats and facts
I haven't refused anything. Nor did I insist Milton would transfer. That entire thread was about "someone" was likely to transfer after Shea left, and since Mac was ahead, it was likely joe to leave "if" he were passed ... Well, he got passed, and left. That it was 4mos later than the hypothetical scenario doesn't take away from that
Completion percentage is right from ESPN, on the link you provided
I never insulted his character. You're lying again, because I didn't say he was an impatient person, I said he was impatient in the pocket. All my criticism is limited to play. I do the same with all players, on all teams. You defend him with lies, so this debate goes on
@Lank 4:26
Of course you don't get how a slower opponent and smaller venue would impact intangibles, you've probably never done anything competitive. If it'll make you feel better, I think Saturday night's game got to Cade. Until he performs for a full game on a big stage, I'll continue to believe that
I'm not sure how you can say "Milton wasn't put in a position to succeed" He started, played teams with less talent, and looked terrible
*people around the program say Milton (and Jackson) trashed the program on the way out. The "he wasn't set up for success" might come from that. Maybe that's why he sucks at Tennessee too? Could be...
@ LANK 4:15 p.m.
DeleteI think some of your criticisms of je93's argument are unfair/inaccurate.
I don't think anyone has treated Cade McNamara as a "Golden Boy." The off-season hype machine picked up, just like it did with Joe Milton. That's where all the Cam Newton comparisons, the leadership talk, etc. came out in the summer/fall of 2020. Then when Milton transferred and McNamara remained, suddenly McNamara was the guy, and so the coaches/media started raving about his leadership, command of the offense, etc.
But even if you believe he's being treated better than Milton, you cannot deny that McNamara's performance on the field has been better than Milton's. McNamara is 2-1 as a starter (Milton was 2-3), McNamara has yet to throw an interception, and...
...McNamara beat out Milton. If you're going to give credit to Milton for going to Tennessee and "beating out the competition" for the starting job for two games, you also should acknowledge that it looks like he's going to be benched at two different schools.
It's also worth noting that while you deride the treatment of Milton...his run of starting 5 games is not exactly impressive. If we're saying a QB is better/worse depending on how many games he's started at the college level, Milton is clearly inferior to Patterson...and Peters...and could be passed up by McNamara by the end of the season.
You're spending an awful lot of time and energy defending a guy whose numbers, starts, etc. don't match up with the guys that some of us have been saying are better.
Milton was bad at Michigan. He's now bad at Tennessee. Peters was bad at Michigan. He's now bad at Illinois. Those guys are bad for different reasons.
It's okay just to admit that Milton is/was bad and move on. It's okay just to admit that people who questioned Milton seem to have been right and move on. There's no point to digging in.
While you're busy defending Joe Milton, I think it's also interesting who you're not defending: Brandon Peters. Peters has thrown 25 touchdowns and 11 interceptions in the Big Ten, and he hasn't thrown an interception since 2019. He fended off a couple former 4-stars at Illinois (Artur Sitkowski, Isaiah Williams) to keep his starting gig there. Joe Milton's lone touchdown pass in 2021 has brought him to an even 6 touchdowns and 6 interceptions for his college career.
(If Milton somehow keeps or wins the UT starting job again and changes his path, then I think the discussion can be revisited. But right now, I don't know why the argument is even being made.)
Wasn't Isaiah Williams the player Alabama wanted badly to play at ATH, but he wanted to play at QB so he went to Illinois? He a WR now at Illinois.
DeleteI watched the Tennessee game on and off. Hooker kept moving the team. And Heupel was happy with him other than, as Heupel put it, he didn't check the back side safety, on the drive at the end of the game, and that safety picked the pass to end Tenns chance. Milton has been nothing but shredded by Tenn fans since Saturday. I bet Hooker is going to start.
@Thunder
DeleteMy argument is that we should look at things objectively and consistently based on outcomes not emotions. That led to this:
McNamara > Milton > McCaffrey > Peters > Malzone
Based on who won the head to head at Michigan and what they've done since.
When I wrote the above people took the opportunity to take shots at Milton and told me I got it wrong on him. Not Peters or anyone else. That's what I'm reacting to.
I don't know how you arrive at Peters > Milton. Milton has done more/better in 3 years than Peters did in his first 3 years. The thing Milton is supposedly worst at (accuracy) - seems like statistically he is better at than Peters (based on career completion %). I could go on.
@JE
DeleteThat comment is too dumb to respond too. I gave you facts and I backed it up with links and you're just going to throw out insults and call me liar. Oh well.
Trolling is funny sometimes but I'm just not interested in responding to what I see as pitiful nonsense. People are allowed to be hateful simpletons just as people are allowed to be argumentative and arrogant. I'm going back to ignoring you. Call it a meltdown!
@Lank 2:14
Delete"We need to be objective" ... but then lies & exaggerates
@Lank 2:37
"I don't like being proven wrong, or caught in a lie, so I'll insult you"
@ LANK 2:14 p.m.
DeletePeters was 2-2 as a starter at Michigan. Milton was 2-3.
Peters threw 4 touchdowns and 3 interceptions at Michigan. Milton threw 5 touchdowns and 6 interceptions.
If you're just looking at the numbers at Michigan, there's certainly an argument to be made either way.
If you're also including the post-Michigan years, the gap widens in favor of Peters. In Peters's fourth year of college, he threw 18 TD and 8 INT as a starter for the year. In Milton's fourth year of college, he's seemingly about to get benched after two games.
Should Milton get credit for the Rutgers win?
DeleteWith Milton under Center, we were down 0-17, and stuck in the mud ... to a BAD Rutgers team
He was benched with more than half the 2Q remaining
Cade comes in, and - with the same teammates & playbook, against the same BAD Rutgers team, in the same venue - immediately ignites our comeback, playing 2.5 quarters plus overtime
Oh, and for the QBR:
Milton: 17.7
Cade: 85.9
Fact is, Milton started a game that we won. Truth is, we won despite his piss poor performance
@Thunder
DeleteMilton passed Peters! Who is 2 years older than him.
In 2018 Michigan headed into the season with this depth chart:
1. Patterson 2. Peters 3. McCaffrey 4. Milton
https://mgoblog.com/content/preview-2019-quarterback
By the end of the season Peters dropped to 4th.
1. Patterson 2. McCaffrey 3. Milton 4. Peters.
First he was passed by McCaffrey. In September Peters was the 3rd guy in (Nebraska game). But Peters didn't play in October while Milton did. To close the year, at both OSU (where Peters played) and the bowl game (where he didn't), Milton not Peters was the backup while McCaffrey was hurt.
The handful of starts they got and the records therein are too circumstantial (defense, opponents, etc) to override the basic fact above. Which is further confirmed by where the caliber of program they transferred to and immediately won starting jobs at.
You are right that you can slice the numbers either way of their time at Michigan but Milton had 11TDs at Michigan not 6. He did have more turnovers. He also had a much higher YPA. And a higher passer rating (per ESPN's RTG). Peters started most of his games as a sophomore and was handled with kid gloves. Milton was a junior who played through a significant thumb injury and tried to carry a bad team. Regardless of how you slice it there is no obvious superiority in their performance at Michigan as starters or as backups.
But one guy beat the other at Michigan and the transfer destination also speaks volumes.
Maybe we can let Milton's 4th to 6th years happen before we claim that Peters 4th to 6th years are superior? Milton's first 3 years where unquestionably better -- because again Milton directly passed the older Peters.
More untruths ...
DeleteJH did not release a depth chart prior to the 2018 opener at ND
That MGoBlog post is a prediction
All we have is the game itself. When Shea went down with cramps, Dylan came in, was the first QB off the bench until his injury against PennSt
Peters was third off the bench, until he decided to transfer. Can't remember when those rumors started, but he didn't get much PT after
That's when Milton came in (throwing ugly INTs into buckeye chests)
Harbaugh rarely publishes depth charts so playing time is what we have to go off. It is flat out lie that Milton threw multiple INTs against OSU.
DeletePeters played against OSU. He had in fact NOT already transferred midseason. If coaches thought he had mentally checked out why would they play him against OSU?
Facts in chronological order:
Peters was the top returning QB in 2018 in experience and production at Michigan.
McCaffrey was the first backup in for ND, Western, Nebraska and Penn State.
Up to midseason (Wisconsin game), Peters was the only other QB to play. Peters came in to throw an INT against Nebraska in his only attempt.
Against Wisconsin, Milton and McCaffrey played, Milton in the 1st Quarter.* Peters did not play.
Against OSU, Milton and Peters both played. McCaffrey was hurt.
Milton was the first and only backup in against Florida to close the year.
By playing Milton in fewer than 5 games his red-shirt eligibility was retained and as such he (currently) could have college eligibility though to bowl games in January of 2024.
END FACTS
Speculation, rumors, and hate-fueled opinions don't trump facts.
*Opinion: the Wisconsin game saw Milton play a Villari-like role. Villari should be considered our current 3rd string QB as he has played. Bowman has not (unless I missed it late against Western?). One can SPECULTE that Bowman is the real 3rd stringer. But the burden of proof would be on another source (such as a not available depth chart from Harbaugh) to disprove the playing time allocation.
Anyone who demands uncommon or unusual documentation to definitely prove what is clearly evident from readily available facts is either a flat out fool or an obstinate troll with an agenda. The two typically go hand in hand.
DeleteI recall a rumor that Peters did not travel to the Florida Bowl game. There was speculation that he told the team he would transfer after OSU.
DeleteSpeculation on the headspace of QBs should consider the source.
You can read through the comments before and after 2018 and see who is doubtful about Milton and ends up being wrong:
https://touch-the-banner.com/2018-season-countdown-80-joe-milton/
https://touch-the-banner.com/2019-season-countdown-55-joe-milton/
"I can see Milton transferring, especially if Shea finishes the season healthy again"
"I think he needs a lot of time & reps, but lacks the patience to ever see it through"
Some people will NEVER change their minds.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belief_perseverance
More lies. This is too easy
Deletehttps://www.espn.com/college-football/boxscore/_/gameId/401012895
Ignoring me lasted less than 24hrs, and resulted in more name calling & insults. Way to go
Delete@JE
DeleteYeah you are right about that. Like Joe Milton you aren't very good at reading what's in front of you but you do have a strength and resilience to you. Whereas he can throw the ball 10 miles you are just an inexorable troll. So with those niceties aside,
Where is the lie in the OSU boxscore?
When did I say Milton threw multiple picks? You argue against something not said - in attempt to make a point - because your original thought cannot be substantiated ...
DeleteWhen did I say Peters transfered midseason? Again, I said there were rumors he had decided to, but it makes you feel better to misrepresent ... You cannot make a valid point
Give up man. We're 2-0. Enjoy, before you lose it all over again
A few comments above. "That's when Milton came in (throwing ugly INTs into buckeye chests)"
DeleteAs for Peters you insist that he dictated the terms when the evidence says otherwise.
"Peters was third off the bench, until he decided to transfer."
You lose every argument then lash out with accusations and insults. Proof?
Facts? Not interested. It's hard to predict just what mix of hypocrisy or lack of awareness will come from you each time. Self-owns and telling projections. The Donald Trump of TTB.
I didn't say anyone dictated anything. You can't make a point, so you make stuff up, or argue a point not made and assert "facts"
DeleteRelax. Take your L
Ignore, deflect, lie. Confusion or ineptitude? It doesn't really matter.
DeleteI'll take my L when it's that time but with you JE it's a blowout every time. You're a glutton for punishment. You keep begging to talk to LANK. You got it.
I only reply when you lie, exaggerate, or mislead. You've started the year on a bad foot, but we're 2-0; keep your head up and Go Blue
DeleteI think there's something wrong in Don Brown's health.
ReplyDeleteWhat makes you write that?
DeleteHe said that he wants to coach, but he doesn't want to travel to recruit anymore. It's been too hard on him. I read somewhere that Jedd Fisch is going to make concession somehow to accommodate that. Also, I have been watching any video of Don Brown at Arizona. And it is clear from his posture, demeanor, and the sound of his voice, that he is not the same.
DeleteInteresting. I hadn't heard that. Don Brown is 66 so not crazy that he would need to take a step back.
DeleteWhat would it take to get Ren Heflely back on roster???
ReplyDeleteIf he was here people would just complain about his INTs and discount his level of competition.
DeleteThe Fisch fetish crew is pretty quite these days. It was always irrational emotions.
ReplyDeleteArizona was 0-5 in 2020 and 4-13 in 2019-2020. SDSU has not had a losing season since 2009 (under...Brady Hoke!).
DeleteI'm not any kind of Jedd Fisch superfan, but an 0-2 start (losses to BYU and SDSU) is not unsurprising. If they lose to Northern Arizona in their next game, then maybe alarm bells should be going off.
Every coach deserves 4 years unless they are grossly incompetent, IMO.
DeleteI agree it is not a surprise.
I like Jedd Fisch and Don Brown. But theyve got a project there at Arizona. Maybe by the end of the year they will start winning. Arizona has been pretty bad, Rutgers in 2016 bad.
DeleteI like Fisch and Brown as well. Good coaches both. Sounds like Brown may just be done, while Fisch remains a teflon vagabond. But what I was referring to is that Fisch has been lionized by some segments of the fanbase, in contrast with Hamilton and Gattis. Even though both have had better offenses, Fisch is a guy who some people keep pining for. We all remember "good s**t Jedd" and the warm fuzzies from the start of 2015 to the end of 2016 but the bottom line is that the offense did better with Patterson after Fisch left and, perhaps more importantly, we saw some basic modernization of the offense since he and Drevno were replaced. People like to boil things down to very basic levels but the "bring back Jedd" perspective doesn't hold water beyond "that's when I was happy last".
DeleteIt really is a shame that Hoke hitched his wagon to Al Borges instead of hiring someone who wanted to run a more modern spread.
ReplyDeleteJoe Moorhead was OC at Akron in 2008 so they would have crossed paths while Hoke was at Ball State. In 2010 Moorehead was OC at UConn that year they made it to the Fiesta Bowl and beat Oklahoma. Moorhead would have been available and a hell of hire if Hoke had the eye for it.
I think Hoke might have possibly been open to such a thing except that program was so mad at Rich Rod that most of the fanbase was screaming to go back to 90s style football. Now we're there and mad about that too. LOL.
I say this because it's clear he can be a solid coach in the right environment even though his strength is one specific position group. I think he could have been a Mario Cristobal type of coach if he hired the right assistants. On defense he did that. But offense was a disaster. If there's was an AD pushing him in a different direction on offense it might have worked out.
DeleteWe have a better coach now but I could have done without the struggles to get there and meanwhile OSU ascended to an even higher level.
Michigan is playing '90s style football? The pistol formation, the Ravens-style running game, etc. did not exist in high-level college football in the 1990s.
DeleteIf a college football coach fell into a coma in 1997 and woke up today, he would not recognize the things Michigan is doing on 95% of their run plays.
Agreed. I meant the comment specific to their emphasis on run to set up the pass, lack of QB in the run game, and lack of aggression in the pass game.
DeleteI'll admit to ignorance here but I don't understand the Ravens comparison because they seem to run their QB quite a bit. I trust that the blocking schemes may be similar, but at the more surface level it's hard to see the parallel.
Just want to point out that, as expected, Milton was benched. 4 quarters since Hooker took over, the Vols have shifted from run heavy, to leaning on the pass ...
ReplyDeleteIt was never about hate; nobody was setup for failure. Some QBs just don't have it
I believe Milton was held out due to injury, but I do think he's going to be demoted, if he hasn't been already.
DeleteTrue, he was listed as injured. But Milton warned up at halftime of the Pitt game, so he can play. He also practiced during the week. Hooker was made the starter, and by Friday Milton decided against playing
DeleteWhile the last three points are from Vols message boards, huepel confirmed in his post game yesterday
https://247sports.com/college/tennessee/LongFormArticle/Tennessee-Vols-Football-Tennessee-Tech-Josh-Heupel-Press-Conference-56-0-171221700/
You're telling on yourself again JE.
DeleteMilton is in the same boat as McCaffrey. Hurt but not dead.
https://www.fortmorgantimes.com/2021/09/16/dylan-mccaffrey-starting-status-unclear-for-lamar/
And...just imagine if Milton did this in a tie game with 2 minutes left:
1st & 10 at own 36
(2:13 - 4th) QB sacked for a loss of 11 yards to the 25
2nd & 21 at own 25
(1:14 - 4th) QB sacked for a loss of 7 yards to the 18
3rd & 28 at own 18
(1:07 - 4th) Penalty, Intentional Grounding (QB) to the 7
Names withheld to protect the forever young and innocent but if you watched Maryland Illinois game you would have seen Illinois QB gift the ball and the game on that late drive. That game management fiasco results in Maryland being handed the ball in Illinois territory. Easy FG from there to win the game. The pressure didn't even get in very quick. You know, if you watched the game.
Yes, Brandon Peters stunk up the joint again. And McCaffrey is busy not playing again. But JE wants to talk about how bad one guy is for some reason (not hate, not bias, never, nope). Worst QB ever. Injuries are fake news. Inaccurate even when he doesn't play.
None of these QBs are good but only one of them is incessantly criticized and framed in the most negative light possible.
Brandon Peters was embarrassingly bad ... but no one throws temper tantrums in defense of him here, hence no debate
DeleteWow, logic
@JE
DeleteWas McCaffrey benched?
A simple Google search reveals ... nada. Dad did say he was injured, and he was in a sling to end last week's game (not warming up)
DeleteHere you go Lank:
https://is.gd/6oaKXx
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Delete@ LANK 12:50 p.m.
DeleteOnly one of them got benched and immediately started telling people he was going to transfer and come back to score 50 on Michigan. At least Peters and McCaffrey went away quietly without talking crap about Michigan.
@Lank 1250
DeleteHere's what I wrote on another forum, where one of my buddies is a Peters fanboy:
"My God, Peters is awful ... but at least I feel better about Maryland
GO BLUE"
That was live, and just before the two sacks and illegal pass to his OL
"Peters, back to back sacks, for a loss of 18 ... followed by an illegal throw to a lineman
So much for a game winning drive
GO BLUE"
As always, stats don't tell the whole story, and the visual was far worse. Despite being a super senior with 3yrs as a starter, BP has no pocket presence, which often results in injury-inducing shots
There. Feel better about your boy Joe?
@Thunder
DeleteWhere did Joe Milton say that?
Milton lists himself as a UM alum on his twitter profile and his transfer post was nothing but class
https://twitter.com/Qbjayy7/status/1362434775320043532
Peters transferred in the conference that Michigan is in.
McCaffrey sat out the season once he got beat out while Milton continued to play hurt when he was demoted.
You didn't answer the question JE.
DeleteDylan McCaffrey is "doing fine" according to the link above.
According to the link you posted on Tenn, Milton is hurt.
Call me crazy but it seems like essentially the same thing this week for both of them. QB started last week, struggled, got hurt, didn't play this week. You want to call out one but not the other.
My guy was McCaffrey. That's who I thought would be the best of the bunch. I don't like how he chose to transfer but COVID could have been a factor in it.
Oh Lank. You insult my intelligence, claim I cannot read or am too black & white, but then you overlook evidence ... maybe it is you who is projecting?
DeleteSomeone in a wheelchair can "be fine." That short response ends a conversation, without detail
McCaffrey was injured on a late hit, came back in a sling, and has not practiced since. Coach Mac still has him listed as, and refers to him as the starter. Huepel however, confirms what Vols insiders reported: Milton practiced last week, was made the backup, and then did not play ... he was benched (again) for another not-good QB (again)
https://doesports.blogspot.com/2021/09/new-post-unc-football-dylan-mccaffrey.html?m=1
What evidence? Even Thunder is telling you both QBs are hurt. You're saying injury severity is subjective (someone in a wheelchair is doing fine) but not acknowledging that injured QBs can still participate in practice. Your own links have Heupel saying Milton didn't play because of the injury. But you want to spin and twist.
DeleteOne injured QB - benched. The other - injured.
I'm bored of saying it but one more time. All of these QBs are not great but you're brining up one over and over and over again. Because that's who you are.
From injuries, to FBS vs FCS, to accuracy, to production they'll all get twisted in the most negative light possible.
Your bias isn't just showing it's unrelenting.
From the article - that YOU linked to!
DeleteHeupel said the Vols felt by the end of the week that he wouldn't be ready to play. Moving forward, the next couple of days could determine the Michigan transfer's status for next week's opener at Florida.
Point to where I said Milton wasn't injured. One problem here is, you argue against points not made
DeleteI didn't say he wasn't injured; I said he came back after getting hurt, warmed up at halftime with the team, stayed on the bench as Hooker immediately threw a TD pass, then practiced with the team all week. Once Hooker was anointed starter, Milton went back to "not ready to play"
The sequence of events is what I pointed out, but I guess someone else struggles with reading &. comprehension too?
Either that, or you're so bad at proving a point, that you create a whole new thing to be offended about
You mean you invented a scenario in your head where Milton was ready to play even though the coach said publically that he wasn't.
DeleteIn other words you are denying facts (or as close as we can have them) in order to craft a story that fits your narrative. Just like you did for Peters and McCaffrey.
I am pointing you to outcomes - things that actually happened - and you want to talk about your wacked theories.
*nor did I ever say Milton was 'ready to play'
DeleteKeep making stuff up Lank, it reflects your inability to make a point
So if Milton isn't ready to play because of an injury, then how the hell was he 'benched'? This is what we sane people call "being hurt".
DeleteSpeaking of making a point - what was yours?
-LANK's BURNER by LANK aka LANK
@JE
ReplyDeleteI'll be honest that you criticizing Peters does nothing for me. Maybe 200 comments more like this and I'll be convinced that you're not as biased against Milton as it seems. I'd think you were a hater with no class either way.
No class because I keep proving you wrong? I mean, who hurls the insults?
DeleteIt's not that I hate Milton. In his last 5 games, he has a QBR as low as 4, 6, 17, and 38. It's not hyperbole to say he's the worst I've seen, it's an opinion. Based on the stats and film, a sound one
Don't let that hurt your feelings so badly. As you lied about last week, you could always ignore me
Still waiting for you to prove me wrong on anything other than mixing up RTG and QBR on accident. Nothing of substance, ever.
DeleteI said which of 5 Harbaugh QB recruits were better than which based on what they've done at Michigan and where they eneded up. It was brought up in a larger point about Michigan football (Harbaugh's QB recruits seemingly getting progressively better).
ReplyDeleteIn response I got 4 people wanting to tell me how bad Milton was instead of debating the original point. He should play at a lower level, play baseball, play TE. This wasn't really a surprise given past history but it's telling anyway.
Now you've got JE with 4 link posts and all caps demands and hyporbole about being the worst ever to further criticize the guy. All in his emotions. Lashing out. Can't defend it so just more poo-throwing.
McNamara > Milton > McCaffrey > Peters > Malzone is what I've said.
Most of that is a slam dunk. The most up for dispute one is McCaffrey > Peters. Because we're talking about a guy who as a 5th year senior still hasn't had a more notable performance than coming in for a few series against Notre Dame 3 years ago. My favorite of all these recruits in terms of skills, but he's done the least (aside from Malzone). But no one wants to debate that part.
Instead it's about Milton. Peters has done more (in 6 years vs 4). Instead it's, well Peters quit midseason (as if that's a good thing) so Milton didn't beat him out. Instead it's "well McCaffrey was hurt" as if Milton wasn't. "Well McCaffrey's playing at FCS" as if he didn't choose that for himself. etc.
I'm laying out an argument with evidence. That's only a tantrum if you're offended by facts that run counter to your feelings. You want to have a debate have a debate but you just want to talk about your feeling JE.
I talked about my feelings on Milton already and most of that stuff got nuked by Thunder. So I'm not going to do that again.
The Michigan outcomes:
McNamara > Milton > McCaffrey > Peters > Malzone
Transfer destination
McNamara > Milton > Peters > Malzone > McCaffrey
Games started (adjusting for class)
McNamara > Milton > Peters > McCaffrey > Malzone
Feelings
up to you
FWIW If I was Heupel I would definitely go with Hooker against Florida unless Milton is clearly healthy and clearly better in practice. Hooker's a pretty good QB and I was really surprised Milton beat him out in the first place. I like guys who can run and Hooker brings that element.
DeleteIf you think Hooker is good, you haven't been watching, or you don't know QBs. The offense is slower with him, as though he has not mastered the playbook at pace. He is too loose running the ball, resulting in fumbles. His arm isnt strong & his release is slower than Dylan's, so quick DBs will feast on huepel's attempt to stretch the field horizontally
DeleteThen there's Bailey, who is not right for this system, and holds onto the ball waaay too long
Going with practice Tarzan makes sense, but what huepel needs is time to recruit & score a better QB
@Lank 343
DeleteThis post is so full of inaccuracies & exaggeration, one could assume the author is delusional. Do better
Start with one. You won't. You'll always dodge the point, twist some trivial detail, then fall back to a different one when that fails. While yelling liar and other insults as loud as you can to deflect. You can't follow the conversation so you make up your own argument.
DeleteFor one example, with Milton -- It used to be completion percentage. You lost there and now that I taught you about QB ratings you want to cherry pick that to talk about why Milton is awful.
Milton > Peters > McCaffery in career passer rating (that's RTG JE, a simplistic but proven stat used at the NFL level).
It's
Milton > McCaffrey > Peters if you want to go by completion percentage.
Career QBR would be more interesting but I can't find it anywhere. It very well might tell a different story, I honestly don't know. None of these QBs have proven to be very good. Milton leads the stats along with the other stuff, but not by much.
As for the Tennessee QB hate it almost sounds like you think Milton should start. LOL. There's never a right answer in JE's world just looking for reasons to complain and criticize.
LANK
Start with one??? Scroll up ⤴️
ReplyDeleteThe entire thread (and others) are full of examples of you making sh:t up, exaggerating, or straight up lying
WAIT ... are you posting from a burner account?!? JFC man, get some help
Name one. You never do.
DeleteBurner account? more telling on yourself JE. I've posted on here literally thousands of times and the thought has never crossed my mind. I don't even understand the point of it would be. I'm sure you could explain it JE...
DeleteYes, burner. You post from LANK, and Anon ... see above
Wow, that was an easy one 😉