NOTE: Again, I apologize for the inconsistent posting schedule lately. Too many things going on right now. I've started preview posts the past two weeks and just haven't been able to finish.
Bryce Underwood is a dude. The talent of Bryce Underwood is off the charts. Michigan has never seen anything like him on their roster. The closest is Drew Henson or Devin Gardner, but Underwood is a twitchier athlete than Henson and a better thrower than Gardner. Underwood completed 21/27 passes for 230 yards, 2 touchdowns, and 0 interceptions, and he looked to be in control the entire game. There were a few drops, but I don't love taking away the drops and making pronouncements about what his completion percentage should be, because then you're not comparing apples to apples when it comes to other quarterbacks or general expectations. It's sufficient enough to describe his accuracy by saying he completed 21/27 passes.
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Chip Lindsey deserves a game ball. I thought this game was the best of Lindsey's tenure at Michigan. The Wolverines didn't light the world on fire, but Lindsey kept Washington off balance by mixing inside runs, play action passes, screens, and edge runs. He did that without starting running back Justice Haynes. Fill-in starter Jordan Marshall had a workmanlike game with 25 carries for 133 yards and 1 touchdown, and his longest run was 14 yards. Marshall isn't quite as explosive or as shifty as Haynes, so it was a good time for Lindsey to call a good game. The thing I liked most about Lindsey's game plan was that he took account of who was available and realized nobody was really worthy of forcing the ball to, so it seemed like he decided to help Underwood spread the ball around. With no Haynes, no Marlin Klein, and no Hogan Hansen - all of whom could demand touches against certain matchups - and Donaven McCulley's size advantage erased by 6'3" and 6'4" corners, Lindsey used a bunch of different guys.
Zack Marshall had himself a day. I did not give Zack Marshall a great grade coming out of high school, and I think the jury is still out on what his career will be over the long term. However, one thing I have a hard time accounting for in recruiting is character and personality. Marshall has done a few interviews here or there, but following Saturday's game, it's clear how impressive and humble he is. He seems to have a great attitude. After catching 0, 1, 0, 1, 1, and 0 passes over the first six weeks of the year, he caught 5 passes for 72 yards and 1 touchdown against the Huskies. Washington absolutely didn't game plan to stop the guy who had 3 catches for 29 yards going into the game.
I love Michigan's tight end usage. Michigan was missing its top two tight ends (Klein and Hansen), and they still went right at using the position. Marshall and Deakon Tonielli - who had barely played in his career - combined for 8 catches, 110 yards, and Marshall's touchdown. Neither one looked out of place, and aside from one drop by Tonielli on a tough catch attempt where he was hit immediately, they showed good hands and, most importantly, covered up the ball when in traffic. I still remember going to a Penn State coaching clinic - and they've put out some good tight ends - where they talked about how much they emphasize tight ends putting two hands on the ball in traffic, because those guys are never going to outrun or out-athlete opponents, and they also tend to be big targets who leave a lot of room to rip at the ball. So kudos to Tonielli and Marshall for protecting the ball and being solid pass catchers.
I'm worried about the offensive line. Every team suffers some significant injuries throughout a season, and Michigan is no exception. Even in the national championship year, they lost Zak Zinter to a broken leg. But Michigan has now lost a couple key pieces, both of whom were expected to compete in a concerning battle for left tackle. Freshman Andrew Babalola went down for the year during the pre-season, and Evan Link suffered a non-contact injury against Washington. Initially I was concerned about a torn Achilles based on the way Link fell, but now word is that it's a knee injury and it might not be an extremely significant (a.k.a. long term) injury. But now it seems that Michigan will be down to redshirt freshman Blake Frazier at left tackle, who will be backed up by guard Brady Norton. Norton himself has missed a few games due to injury, and so has left guard Giovanni El-Hadi. Meanwhile, starting right guard Jake Guarnera and starting right tackle Andrew Sprague are both redshirt freshmen, too, so now the Wolverines are starting three redshirt freshmen on the line. Yikes.
What's the temperature on defensive coordinator Wink Martindale? Everyone was ready to fire Martindale after the performance against USC, and then Michigan did a number on Washington. Huskies quarterback Demond Williams, known for his running ability, managed -19 yards on 5 carries and finished 20/32 for 208 yards, 0 touchdowns, and 3 interceptions through the air. I was afraid of what Williams could do if he got loose, but Michigan's linebackers and edges - and coaching staff - did a good job of accounting for him. They seemed to know who had contain, and they sometimes even overplayed the edge to keep him in the pocket. Early in the game, it seemed like the edge guys were being a little too aggressive in going after Williams. One of my big coaching points when I used to coach defensive line was not to get deeper than the QB when we faced athletic quarterbacks, and I think Michigan made that adjustment after the first couple drives. This defensive performance was roughly what we should expect from Michigan's defense, and it should be even better when Michigan gets back safeties Rod Moore and Brandyn Hillman from injury. Brian from MGoBlog was very down on Martindale last week after the loss to USC and basically said Michigan should just ride out the season and then get rid of Martindale after the year, but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. The game plan against the Trojans was a poor one, but if the defense performs like they did against Washington for the remainder of the year, I don't see him getting forced out.
Who needs to step it up? The coach I have been least impressed with over the past couple years is special teams coach J.B. Brown. I would not be surprised if Brown does not return next year. The special teams units have taken a step back from when Jay Harbaugh was in Ann Arbor back in 2023. Michigan doesn't get returns like they used to, and aside from Dominic Zvada being an excellent place kicker in 2024, most every aspect of special teams has been a disappointment. Punter Hudson Hollenbeck isn't doing well, Zvada has taken a step back, Semaj Morgan is an adventure as a punt returner, and Michigan isn't generating blocked punts and kicks like they used to get. There was a time when Michigan was good for a blocked punt or two every year, and Michigan isn't really even getting close right now. In general, I think the program is playing with one hand behind its back when it comes to special teams. I don't see them creating plays or designs to give them advantages, and it's a very basic, play-it-safe approach . . . except the punt returner, who doesn't play it safe at all.

On some throws, Underwood looks beyond what I hoped for. But others - like the overuse of sidearm - I get frustrated wish he had a chance to sit behind vet
ReplyDeleteTE is what I've been wanting, but I did Tonelli & Marshal were NOT on my bingo card. Is that sustainable?
OL: Frazier is waaay too skinny; no butt or legs. El Hadi wasn't missed, but with Link gone his experience may be a factor. Guanara was an upgrade. Get Frazier some help and things could get interesting
Even if we get verry conservative on D, we'll be predictable. I think Wink is out. Would Dave Aranda come to A2?
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DeleteThe bet was the result of the game, not some online guess ... and YOU WERE TOO SCARED lAnKt0bY, AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
DeleteOverreacted? My posts after OU and SC have aged quite well, and were confirmed by guys like Jansen, Skeene, Gardner & Butt, because I DO know the game, t0By. You must wait days to comment - and then plagiarize - because you don't
Not smart enough. Plagiarizing didn't work. All you have is your desperate attempt & hope to keep up with je93 - your inferiority is laughable
#dotheyknow
#deleteyourbrowser
#youWANTthundertodeleteyourLs
✅ RBs matter
✅ Milton was garbage
✅ Giles Jackson was NOT a RB
✅ RunFirstRunOften
✅ Cole Cabana 😂🤣😂
✅ 2o24 QBs = 8win ceiling
✅ no pLaYmAkErS at WR
✅ Milton DID get drafted
✅ Don was not Harball/SMASH
✅ Don was Boom-Bust
✅ Washington adjusted to Tuttle as a PASSER
✅ Orji was NOT trusted as a passer
✅ not jUsT sIZe at WR
✅ McCulley replaced Morris, not CoJo (or Loveland)
✅ Jamar Browder did NOT replace Darius Clemens
✅ Loveland was NOT a wIdE rEcEiVeR
✅ Mullings sent Don to the bench
✅ MGoBlog does NOT rate Haynes as Boom-Bust
✅ plagiarizing
✅TEs matter
✅ Skyler Bell NIL
Is that all? That's almost certainly not all. Just sooo many jeDubs! No wonder you are scared to bet!
#outsmarted
Good golly, the drama is so annoying with Lank or whoever the heck you are.
DeleteCFB is not the NFL. In the NFL, you can lose 7 games and still make the playoff. The margin of error in college football is much smaller. Wink (or is it Moore?) has cost us a game or two by being stubborn in his defensive approach. He cannot take 6 games before knowing what is the best defensive scheme for the current players. Win the USC game and we are probably playing Ohio for a spot the Big Ten conference final. The Oklahoma loss was somewhat understandable given that it was our second game of the season and the coaches might need to learn what kind of players they have. The USC loss was not.
ReplyDeleteThere are alot of criticism on Barnham being "ill-disciplined" in the USC game. I wonder how much of that is on the player and how much of that is due to the defensive scheme and coaching.
Aren't we still (probably) playing OSU for a spot in the BIG championship? Maybe it depends on Oregon or Indiana getting upset somewhere along the way(?).
DeleteI think with the expanded playoff, unfortunately IMO, you can gloss over a loss or two. If it makes you better in December and January you live with it. OSU is OK with their 2024 season despite a very bad (for them) loss to their biggest rival.
Barham would have been best served moving to EDGE in the spring. But we don't know how those conversations with him went. Remember that he needed to be convinced to stay at Michigan rather than jump to the NFL. You let a kid like that play wherever the hell he wants.
Michigan has always been high on Rolder, Sullivan, and Hausman and then they brought in Bowles on top of it, so I think they knew they had a strong LB unit. But Barham stayed at LB anyway. until the need became more obvious (in large part because Guy wasn't meeting expectations at EDGE).
EDGE is a spot where I think the coaching staff is still experimenting and learning. You've got some flawed or limited players in there for various reasons, but the talent level is pretty high and there's room for improvement on both the players and the coach's rotation and deployment.
I see a lot of reason to be optimistic that the defense will put it together and close the season strong. Not expecting another OSU upset necessarily, but I think they can keep us in the game.
I think Barham is bound to be undisciplined at edge since he didn't move there until a few weeks ago. It's hard to learn a new position on the fly.
DeleteALL HAIL WINK! While I agree that Wink goes over the line on aggressiveness and isn't in the same class as Minter and McDonald, he's a really good defensive coach. Last year he went too far...and then he adapted. This year he went too far...Saturday he adapted. For all the accusations about being an NFL guy stuck in his ways I think maybe he should deserve some credit for being able to change some of his play calling to suit his personnel.
ReplyDeleteMgoBrian is prone to overreactions. I think that appeals to some folks especially after losses because you want to find THE THING to blame. That's human nature, and MgoB often delivers. But I think it's over the top when it comes to Wink because, well, Wink is just not the type of coach that MgoB likes. MgoB doesn't like the NFL. MgoB likes young coaches who are innovating. Wink doesn't fit. But he's getting the job done. And the excuse that Grant/Graham made it easy for him has SOME legitimacy but we still saw the Michigan defense get absolutely roasted by Oregon and Texas last year with those 2 on the field. There's more to it.
Not saying Wink is perfect, or the criticisms don't have merit. I agree with many of them. But firing a guy who has been this successful in year 1, while maintaining continuity in scheme with his predecessors is over the top. Concern about a dropoff? Yes, sure. Concern about understanding the college game and the need to instill and consistently reinforce fundamentals? Yes. But fire the guy who ran a top 10 defense in year 1 because he coached a bad game against perhaps the best offense in CFB? Nah.
Good post Thunder. Agree on Bryce and Lindsey. The OL may be a fatal flaw against OSU but those 2 are enough right now to keep the offense functioning at a high level.
I was pretty skeptical of gambling on a high school QB (as compared to hitting the portal for a proven starter) but Bryce looks like an absolute star. That gamble is paying off. Hopefully Michigan is able to keep him in Ann Arbor for the next two seasons and we get to see him develop and grow. So far that seems to be happening.
Wink sucks. He's like a poker player that plays sloppy, but had that run where he flopped every card he needed, won that tournament 20 years and thinks it was his skill. So he thinks betting big and counting on picking that straight on river is great move.
DeleteWink had a top 10 defense last year. Decent chance he does again this year.
Delete@iykyk Thunder said at the beginning of the season that this is the most complete defense UM has fielded. Not the best but good competent players in every aspect of the defense (sorry Thunder if I misquoted you). I agree with him. Players-wise, we have top 10 talents. But Wink did not create game plans that maximize their talents. He is a top 5 in terms of DC salaries. For us to roll over to USC in such a manner is very disappointing. Brian @mgoblog warned Before the game, do not defend the two tight end with the 5-2 defense as it will not end well. Brian is a one of the smartest writer but he is not a highly paid football coach. If he is able to make such a prediction and Wink is not, what does it say about Wink? I agree we will end up being a top 10 defense but we should be a top 10 defense with fewer losses.
DeleteTop 10 talent? IDK. Maybe. I think it's a bit of a stretch. They are playing a lot of freshman and guys who haven't started before. Definitely no Graham or Grant or Hutch here. D Moore might be closest to 1st rounder but that seems wishful. R Moore is not yet up to full speed 2023 level. It's good but not necessarily top 5 good.
DeleteThunder thought DT would be similar or upgraded (IIRC) and that hasn't panned out. We miss Graham and Grant and that is not really a surprise.
I don't dispute that the USC gameplan was bad. But he bounced back and adapted. The overall results are strong. We saw this last year. If Wink hadn't adapted we don't shut down OSU and Bama like we did. It wasn't just the players. He made those changes. Even if he had to be pushed to do it - he did it.
Moreover, USC offense is excellent. I think the results would have been better if Wink had blitzed a lot less, I trust Mgoblog's analysis on that front, but the truth is we don't know. Maybe they are gashing us in a different way if we play soft. Maybe the missed tackles are still the missed tackles. etc. Wink took a gamble and it didn't pay off. So he changed.
You don't fire somebody for having top 10 results. Period. Michigan has seen FAR worse defenses. I just don't think a replacement level average DC is going to outproduce Wink in this context, but maybe I'm wrong. We'd all take Minter/McDonald back but not a lot of schools are going to have a constant stream of future NFL head coaches and DCs coming through the program on their way up the ladder. Especially without the Ravens head coach handing them off on a silver platter to his brother.
I'm on team Wink. Not saying he's perfect at all but he's darn good. Worth the money. And the accusations of being unwilling to change are flat out unfair. He's demonstrated it.
Regarding Wink and him being fired, I wouldn't, yet. But there are plenty of DCs who could take MICHIGAN talent and deliver a respectable if not dominant Defense (especially with Moore's recruiting & the portal)
DeleteIf Baylor fires Aranda, I'd kick the tires. If not, this is CFB: go find your 'Chip Lindsay' for that side of the ball
@iykyk I am not looking up any historical statistic but I believe Don Brown led a bunch of top 10 Michigan defenses which feasted on weaker opposition but predictably collapsed against stronger opponents. We fired him and I am sure we are all happy with the outcome. We had a good enough defensive talent during the Don Brown years. A switch in DC might have put us over the top a few years earlier.
DeleteI will admit to this. Win the Ohio game, I will go back to singing Wink’s praises. For now, he is on a hot seat but he will need to turn it around just like last year. He just had too many “why are you doing this” moment.
I agree with je93 in that we do not need to find the next McDonald or Minter. We just need to find the next Chip Lindsay.
@ FT 12:11 p.m.
DeleteI generally don't like the 5-2 look, but especially against a team like USC. It's one thing to run it against WMU or Michigan State who might try to play smash mouth football pretty regularly, but against a team that is perfectly fine to use that personnel and then throw the ball 45 times, it's a bad idea.
@ iykyk 8:57 p.m.
I didn't say the defensive tackles would be better this year. Not even close.
lAnKt0bY busted in yet another lie
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DeleteYeah I think that's a key difference. Brown got worked by OSU because his approach worked against lesser teams. Wink seemed at his best against OSU and Bama to close the year. If he does that again, I can live with some blips along the way.
I agree he is on the fans "hot seat" but I don't think he is on the Warde or Sherrone's. The results are flat out too good, no matter what Mgoblog says.
@Thunder
I thought you said the DL as a whole could be as good or better as 2024, considering both Edge and interior. Not DT alone. But I could have misremembered that. We all agree the DL is not as good and DT is the primary reason for that. I think Barham isn't as good as Stewart so there is some dropoff at Edge as well but that was the spot where I think people hoped we would upgrade as Moore and Guy added another season. But those guys don't look appreciably different than they did in '24 at this point.
With Marshall and Tonielli - it seems they are rounding into playable form as juniors. That's great news. I don't think they were really ready as freshman and sophomores but that's not uncommon for positions like OL and TE where you spend most of your time blocking for experience to be critical.
ReplyDeleteNow it's time for some hyperbole:
TE doesn't matter.
Often you can plug in a guy who can block pretty well and catch pretty well and be alright. If you don't have that, well you can plug in an OL who can block well (without catching) as an extra OL/blocking TE. OR plug in an extra WR instead. You don't need big time talent, you can take a walk on, put him in a college S&C program and develop him for 2 or 3 years and have a capable tight end. Anybody with reasonable size and athleticism can do this job if built up appropriately.
Like at RB, the NFL salary tells a story of mostly replaceable cogs who are not valued at the level of other positions like WR, OL, and obviously QB that matter more. Of course there are guys who transcend the hyperbole, there ARE difference makers (e.g., Barry Sanders) but they tend to be rare and they don't usually change the fate of an offense.
In the case of TE, the guys who transcend the hyperbole are those who can function on a WR's level of receiving ability - be it in the slot or outside. People who can't be covered by LBs or safeties because they are too fast and too skilled and too big.
Loveland was that for Michigan, IMO. He's a guy who could play WR even if he couldn't block. He would be a better WR than McCulley for example, and he was a better WR than Morris, Moore, Morgan, etc. in 2024, while also being the best TE on the roster.
Another Michigan example -- Bredeson is an A+ blocker who makes plays for the offense pretty regularly but he's also a guy they are only putting on the field <25 times a game because the impact of a FB/TE can only be so much. Hoffman looks to be a pretty solid replacement in 2026 (fingers crossed).
The first sentence of my post is hyperbole, obviously. A more diplomatic way to say it is this:
Some positions matter more than others. TE is on the lower end of the spectrum. It's hard to be as impactful of a player at TE, even if you are really really good at it, as it is at other positions. It's generally not hard to find replacements who can do the job at a comparable level. So TE matters less than most positions.
Lmao, hyperbole indeed
DeleteHow many 5 & 4 star TEs make it to the League? All-American? All-Conference?
And, how many wash out?
All of them were elite in HS. Even most 3 stars were the best on their HS team. But to excel in college? Well, that takes the kind of attributes that matter. The position matters!
*just ask a coach, or anyone who actually knows the game
I'm not sure what high school stars have to do with anything I wrote about positional value. NFL GMs know the game - they make the decisions on how to spend money and how to use first round draft picks. They don't value tight ends.
DeleteIn over a decade of 1st round picks on offense there have been 35 QBs, 45 WRs, 43 OTs, 20 IOL, 14 RB, 9 TE. TE is more valuable than fullback. Otherwise...
https://www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-draft-which-positions-most-least-valued-over-past-decade
DODGE! Have you found a coach that reaches the same conclusions as the guy who doesn't know the game?
DeleteI'll wait
But to address your over generalization of value, our very own Colston Loveland was drafted top 1o in last year's draft, at the position of TIGHT END (not wIdE rEcEiVeR)
He was selected over a whole lot of CBs (including 5star Will), OTs (including 5star Hinton), QBs (including 5star Ewers) and DEs (including 5star Mykel Williams). He's also getting paid A LOT more than over 2oo other drafted players and every UDFA (including 5star The Don)
Your opinion comes from not understanding the game, allowing you to ignore individual talent, team scheme and team need. Then there's the fact that THIS IS MICHIGAN; we have a physical brand, and TE - not unlike RB - has a higher value than some Air Raid program
To say that the Tight End position has relatively less value to NFL general managers than does the QB or the OT role is something quite different from saying "TE doesn't matter."
DeleteOf course there is relative value within the spectrum of players that make up a football team. The QB is valued the most because without a well-functioning QB, the rest of the offense does not operate well. Without an effective offensive line, even the best QB is mostly helpless. We could keep going: without a credible threat at RB, defenses would simply ignore that player and focus defensive effort elsewhere. Without a competent long snapper, the kicking and punting game would be ineffective.
We're also dealing with averages here. A great TE is valued highly, as is a great RB. The average TE or RB falls within the average valuation spread of the NFL GMs.
These arguments here get very, very tedious.
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It's about relative value. Sure, all positions matter. If you're a coach you have to sweat the details, small stuff and big stuff, one leading to another. But if you're a fan you don't have to sweat the details. You can focus your limited attention on what matters. Some things matter more. Some less.
DeleteA fan is not going to diagnose the spin rate on a long snap or deep dive into kicking technique or read some essay about nutrition for fullbacks vs wide receivers. That stuff doesn't matter to us.
The statement is hyperbole. But it gets the point across succinctly. This does not matter to me and you as fans. As a guy who has spent too much time thinking about the 5th TE on the depth chart and the 4th RB on the depth chart, I am saying it to myself too. It doesn't really matter. 95% of the time you can plug those guys in and be perfectly fine. That's not true at high impact positions.
We all understand this concept of positional value when it comes to QB vs FB. But somehow it gets people worked up to note that RB and TE are less important than WR and OL.
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Anyway, where this idea -- what position really MATTERS and what doesn't -- REALLY starts being relevant is when youre a GM. How are you spending your budget, be it the school's financial limits or a salary cap in the NFL. Those guys HAVE to make a call about priorities. They can't just shrug and say "ALL POSITIONS MATTER".
They have to put their money where their mouth is and live with the results and be accountable for them. How much are you willing to pay that portal WR, that blue chip OT, that LB with limited athleticism but A+ character, etc. You HAVE TO PICK and choose i.e., decide what MATTERS.
That means deciding what does NOT matter just as much as what does.
If you can develop walkon types (who are [hyperbole again] free) into average starters at low value positions -- you do that. You don't give that person a boatload of NIL money if they are easily replaced. That's not happening at QB, so you spend your NIL money there.
It's not happening at WR, so you spend your NIL money there. It IS happening at TE. So maybe that position doesn't matter so much in that context.
We lost our 2 top TEs to injury and plugged in a couple guys who had done zilch up to that point and...it didn't matter. So how much do the top 2 TEs matter? Are you going to throw NIL money at Klein to keep him around for year 5 or maybe shrug and let Marshall/Tonelli do it for (I dunno) half the NIL?
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It's not just average value but also value at the top. Best RB in football Barkley makes $20M/year. The best TEs in football make even less than that. An AVERAGE WR1 makes that, and the top guys at WR and OT are making double that. Top guys are rare and they exist and they can MATTER but not as much as other positions.
You get the idea here because you know that elite FB or Long Snapper will struggle to MATTER in way that will earn them close to any of those salaries. All positions matter. But it's relative. Some don't.
We're not talking about incompetence here. An NFL team will not be putting out a guy who can't long snap because they have a replacement available at all times who is competent. Might not be QUITE as good, but he's not going to be incompetent. Doesn't happen. You're talking about REPLACEMENT level. Not incompetence.
Defenses will NEVER ignore the RB, even if they put a incompetent 50 year old who hasn't played ball since the early 90s into the backfield because a 50 year old incompetant still cannot be ignored while running with a football. You won't bring up your safeties the same way but you wont ignore him either. Of course - it's not gonna be a 40 year old fat man. At Michigan there are probably 100 high school RBs sitting in the stands on any given saturday. And at least a dozen on the sideline.
DeleteAt TE, there's a whole lot of 18 year old men who are 6'4 or so and 230 pounds or so and reasonably athletic and skilled enough that you can train and build up over 3 years and get them to execute as blockers and occasional pass catchers.
There are cogs and there are difference makers. If the guy who excels at the position isn't moving the needle on outcomes relative to the guy who is replacement level. Well, your position just doesn't matter. (much)
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DeleteHyperbole
Another essay, while DODGING on coaches & TE Loveland (again)
Who's worked up?
#selfown
I think calling Jordan Marshall’s performance “workmanlike” is both completely accurate AND undersells how awesome he was. Being in 2nd and 5 or 3rd and 2 almost half the game is going to win a lot of football games. Also, both Marshalls seem to carry humble spirits. Jordan’s post-game interviews have had “future captain” written all over them.
ReplyDeleteYep, love me some Jordan Marshall
DeleteEven early in the season - when he was falling further & further behind Haynes - I appreciated that he was dragging would be tacklers a yard or three until their help arrived to drag him down. That's Harball. That's SMASH
Great to see high character kids on the team. That's part of the Michigan tradition and culture.
DeleteHATE WEEK
ReplyDeleteI still wouldn't be surprised if sparty dragged us into a rock fight, 24-17
But they're falling apart, getting worse ea week. I'm also not as sold as many on our OL & our offense in general, and am down on our DL & Secondary. Still, they're SO bad all around, that I think we leave East Lansing clean: 31-1o. Haynes starts, but is limited to ~15 carries